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| The Death Penalty | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 20 2006, 03:12 PM (648 Views) | |
| ***musical princess*** | Mar 20 2006, 03:12 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It would be interesting to see the numbers... x |
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| The 89th Key | Mar 20 2006, 03:17 PM Post #2 |
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I don't agree with it. For one, I don't think we should take their life as long as they are in maximum security prison. Secondly, our judicial system isn't perfect. Thirdly, I've read stats that have shown how the death penalty hasn't done anything to curb the number of capital crimes. Fourthly, I think life without parole in a maximum security prison would be worse than a needle in your arm that speeds up the process. Fifthly, I support labor camps for these monsters. Day labor, all day, with very basic food, no entertainment, etc. It would cost less than keeping them in normal jail...and would scare the heck out of me before I decided to kill someone. Sixthly, there isn't a seventhly. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Mar 20 2006, 03:34 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm very much against it. |
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| Rockitman | Mar 20 2006, 03:41 PM Post #4 |
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Junior Carp
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With DNA technology, I believe the chances of innocent death row inmates are very slim. To me that was/is the only reason for opposing the death penalty. Life in prison is just eating up our tax dollars. Give the convicted 1 appeal to be performed within 5 years and that's it. Easier said than done I'm sure. It's just ridiculous watching these guys get a lethal injection 25 years after the crime. But yeah, execution all the way. They forfeited their right to life by deliberately extinguishing another's. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 20 2006, 03:46 PM Post #5 |
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Completely depends on circumstance. A coward in battle should be courtmartialed and shot, as should a traitor who betrays his country or comrades in time of war. I do not think that people have an "absolute" right to life (although innocents do), this right can be lost through guilt in a crime of sufficient magnitude. However, capital punishment is among the most severe and serious actions that the State can take, and every effort ought be made to ensure a verdict of true justice. |
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| Optimistic | Mar 20 2006, 04:27 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I've read from various sources that the costs of execution actually surpass that of life imprisonment. A snip from Sister Helen Prejean's book Dead Man Walking: (written in 1993, so statistics will not be up to date) "I also point out that execution of a prisoner costs more than life imprisonment.. That's because capital trials require more expert witnesses and more investigators, a longer jury-selection process (those who oppose the death penalty must be screened out), the expenses of sequestering a jury, not one but two trials because of the required separate sentencing trial, and appeals in state and federal courts. . When a D.A. decided not to go for the death penalty, there may in fact be no trial at all, but whenever the death penalty is sought, almost always there is a trial and all it entails. In Florida, which may be typical, each death sentence is estimated to cost approximately $3.18 million, compared to the cost of life imprisonment (40 years) of about $516,000.. Another reason for swollen costs is the added expense of incarceration prisoners on death row. Most states segregate death-row prisoners in maximum security units and must hire additional security personnel. Nor are most death-row prisoners allowed to work, which prevents them from helping to pay for their upkeep." Another good point made in this book: before capital punishment could be abolished, the public must be assured that murderers will serve full life sentences. "The Bureau of Justice Statistics reveals that in 1986 the average amount of time served on a life sentence in the United States was six years, nine months." From a religious standpoint, I would say that another reason for my being against the death penalty is that I believe only GOD has the right to take a life. Who are we to decide when another person has given up his/her right to live? A person should not be stripped of that right because it is the cheaper, or the most convenient, way to deal with him/her. |
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PHOTOS I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week, sometimes, to make it up. - Mark Twain We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. -T. S. Eliot | |
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| George K | Mar 20 2006, 04:35 PM Post #7 |
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I voted undecided. In 1978, my friends wife was kidnapped, raped (several times) and murdered after the perp attended a court hearing on another kidnapping case. She was in the trunk of his car while he was in the courtroom. They executed him in 1990, and I stayed up to make sure he was dead. Was it blood lust? I don't know. How do I feel 16 years later? I don't know. I am confused. |
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| Kincaid | Mar 20 2006, 05:14 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I said no based on religious grounds. However, I can imagine wanting to execute the sentence myself if the victim was someone close to me. |
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| kenny | Mar 20 2006, 07:17 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I voted yes. There are some crimes for which I think the appropriate punishment is death. The death penalty may save lives too, innocent ones. A potential murder may think twice knowing that his own death may follow. |
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| justme | Mar 20 2006, 07:21 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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ditto |
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| George K | Mar 20 2006, 07:24 PM Post #11 |
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What are those crimes? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| justme | Mar 20 2006, 07:28 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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rape pedophilia murder and probably some other sicko crimes that I'm not in the mood to think of |
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"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3 | |
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| kenny | Mar 20 2006, 07:28 PM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Voting for Bush |
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| pianojerome | Mar 20 2006, 07:29 PM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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:lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| justme | Mar 20 2006, 07:29 PM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3 | |
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| M&M's | Mar 20 2006, 07:54 PM Post #16 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Those stats are wrong. We don't enforce the law to get accurate (if that is even possible) stats. |
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| The 89th Key | Mar 20 2006, 09:46 PM Post #17 |
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...and will think three times, if he knows a life sentence in a labor camp may follow. |
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| garrett | Mar 20 2006, 10:09 PM Post #18 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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A few weeks ago, one of the prime-time news programs (Frontline, 20-20, 60 Minutes, etc. not sure which one) ran an episode on how effective DNA tests were. IIRC, the biggest problem was not with the technology but with human error. Apparently, there were several DNA crime labs that were not administering the test correctly (failing to do this, that and something else or otherwise simply not following federally mandated standards, which could lead to incorrect conclusions). |
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| ***musical princess*** | Mar 20 2006, 11:55 PM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Oh God. That's Horrific... It's cases like this where that make me wish we had capitol punishment in England. Sick b*stards like that deserve everything they get. Has anyone ever seen the film Dead Man Walking? x |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 21 2006, 03:20 AM Post #20 |
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MAMIL
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I voted no. In Britain there's been way too many miscarriages of justice for me ever to be sure of a conviction. There was a huge number of people that wanted to kill The Birmingham Six, who's conviction was subsequently overturned. Sure, DNA evidence can be trusted almost absolutely. But can the policeman who hands in the sample? |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 21 2006, 03:30 AM Post #21 |
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MAMIL
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How do you know that they're wrong? Or, rather, does the fact that the statistics (all statistics, in fact) are flawed necessarily mean that their conclusions are wrong? |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 21 2006, 04:39 AM Post #22 |
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As of January 1 there were 3,373 condemned prisoners in the US awaiting execution. Doesn't sound like much of a deterrent. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.ph...9&did=188#state Per this site, the murder rate per 100,000 population has declined from 1990 - 2004 in states with or without the death penalty, but rates in non-death-penalty states are consistently lower than in death-penalty states. It would appear that life without parole is as effective a deterrent. The site is admittedly biased against the death penalty but cites the sources of its statistics. They look reputable to me. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=168 One of my main objections is the effect that cooly killing a human being has on those who must participate.. guards, wardens, attorneys, judges, now medical staff. The whole process is sickening. |
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| The 89th Key | Mar 21 2006, 06:14 AM Post #23 |
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You see, I disagree. Maybe it's just me, but I definitely think life without parole or a labor camp is far more frightening than a needle in the arm that speeds up the dying process. |
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| Phlebas | Mar 21 2006, 06:35 AM Post #24 |
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Bull-Carp
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I'm totally against it for religious reasons. Also for practical reasons. It's less expensive to lock them up and throw away the key, than it is to pay for the death penalty phase, numerous appeals, etc. The death penalty is not administered fairly. If it was, OJ should have gotten the dealth penalty for stabbing a young man, and practically decapitating his wife. Instead it wasn't even tried as a capital case. This while people who are minors or retarded are sent to death row. When we execute the wrong people - which we no doubt have - we cannot take back that mistake. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 21 2006, 07:57 AM Post #25 |
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MAMIL
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I think that if you are going to have the death penalty, then you really need to get rid of the interminable wait that seems to be the norm in the US. If you don't trust your legal process to just have one trial, one appeal, then execute a few days or weeks after a guilty verdict, then you don't trust it enough to put someone to death full stop. What on earth is the benefit of keeping someone in a room for 25 years waiting to die? I also think that sanitising an execution so that it resembles a medical procedure is wrong. Hanging is pretty painless, and quick, but the process makes it clear to everyone that this is not an operation, it is killing a human being. If you don't like the fact that it's killing, then get rid of the death penalty, don't just dress it up to try and ease our conscience. |
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