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| Nina | Mar 22 2006, 07:46 AM Post #26 |
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Quirt, I think we're just going to have to call a truce here. I see it as an issue of responsibility. You see it as an issue of fairness. I don't see where fair enters into it. You think it isn't fair that the woman gets to choose a course of action which means the man has to pay child support without having any choice in the matter. I am trying to say that it's an issue of taking responsibility for consequences, even the ones you would not have chosen to occur. I doubt we're ever going to agree, so let's call this one a draw, OK? :ph43r:
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| Jolly | Mar 22 2006, 07:46 AM Post #27 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I can. Not personally, but I'm not everybody. Many men do not want children, as do many women. Some people are not emotionally suited to dealing with children, or just don't care to be around them. Even if they are the biological father. |
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| Nina | Mar 22 2006, 08:06 AM Post #28 |
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Not wanting to be around children--believe me, that I can understand. ![]() But I don't see how not wanting to be around children means it's OK to not provide child support. Is that what you meant, Jolly? You can send a check and never see the child again, for example. |
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| Jolly | Mar 22 2006, 08:20 AM Post #29 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Nope, just going back to one of my original points....maybe the primary reason the gentleman of this discussion decided to have a "relationship" with this woman was the fact (at least as he knew it) that children would not be an issue. So why should somebody pay for something they did not want, were assured would not happen, and are perhaps not emotionally equipped to deal with in the sense of being a father? |
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| Larry | Mar 22 2006, 08:27 AM Post #30 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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You must understand that I love children. Not saying others who will disagree with me don't, but to explain my views. In my opinion, whether or not the woman assured him she wouldn't or couldn't get pregnant, he made the choice to have sex with her, just like she made the choice to have sex with him. He faces a risk of becoming a father, and he must take into account the possibility that she is either wrong, or lying. He has a responsibility just like she does. The kid didn't have a choice. Now he's here, and both of them have a responsibility to take care of that child, I don't care who said what to whom in order to get her legs apart 9 months before that. Just my opinion. |
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| Nina | Mar 22 2006, 09:30 AM Post #31 |
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OMG, I agree with Larry! ![]() The phrase that keeps running through my mind when I read this thread is "Sh*t happens." |
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| Phlebas | Mar 22 2006, 09:45 AM Post #32 |
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The phrase that keeps running through my mind is "Sh*t happens when you party naked." |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Improviso | Mar 22 2006, 10:36 AM Post #33 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I would think that this knife can cut *both* ways. If a man must take responsibility for his actions, surely it would be fair and equitable for a woman to take responsibility for hers. No? I've always been a staunch supporter of a womans right to choose. But given that it can be viewed as an *issue of responsibility* rather than fairness, I may have to reconsider my viewpoint and come down on the side of *right to life*. If a man must accept the consequences of his actions, then so must a woman. Afterall, we always consider *what's best for the child* in these cases, don't we. |
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Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism. We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. | |
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