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And the Religion of Peace Strikes Here
Topic Started: Mar 3 2006, 01:16 PM (450 Views)
George K
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A University graduate careened his silver Jeep Grand Cherokee through the Pit on Friday about noon, striking nine pedestrians and sending six to UNC Hospitals.

Mohammed Reza Taheriazar, 23, who graduated in 2005, is in custody at the Department of Public Safety after turning himself in after the incident. He was born May 5, 1983, according to University registrar records. He was a psychology and philosophy major. He was published in The Charlotte Observer for dean's list honors in spring 2005.

At about 2 p.m. a bomb threat was called into the University Commons apartments, at 303 Smith Level Road. State Bureau of Investigations officials entered the building at 3:03 p.m.

Capt. Joel Booker, of the Carrboro Police Department, said they are not sure how the threat is related to the campus incident.

Chapel Hill police spokeswoman Jane Cousins said a Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar has a prior arrest. He was arrested June 16, 2003 on one count of resisting arrest and reckless driving.

Do you think this is related to the UNC cartoon flap?
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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3958312

The driver of an SUV that plowed into a group of pedestrians at UNC-Chapel Hill on Friday told police it was retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world, according to ABC News.

It happened around noon Friday in front of Lenoir Hall on the campus, in a common area known as the Pit. Paramedics took six people to UNC Hospitals. Five had been released by Friday evening and the sixth was not expected to be admitted.

Officials say none of the people were seriously injured. Three refused treatment at the scene.

Chapel Hill police say they arrested the suspect, Mohammed Reza Taheriazar, 23, of Chapel Hill, shortly after the incident. Several witnesses were able to give police the rented Jeep Cherokee's license plate number.

Police said they would charge Taheriazar, a psychology major who graduated from UNC last semester, with several counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill.

...Sources say Taheriazar told police he was seeking retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world, according to ABC News justice correspondent Pierre Thomas. Taheriazar apparently told police he tried to rent the biggest SUV he could find to use in the attack.

By Friday afternoon, a police SWAT team had surrounded a Carrboro apartment complex where Taheriazar reportedly liv
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Interesting.

So! Is this the start of the suicide bomber here on US soil?

I kind of figure it sort of started in 1993. It has just taking a while to breed and brainwash the suicide bomber mindset of a generation? Hmmm.

I am just happy I own at least a modicum of self-defense proficiency and equipment.

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Mar 3 2006, 06:48 PM
I am just happy I own at least a modicum of self-defense proficiency and equipment.


A Kirpan?
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No, A Kimber.

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Nine Attempted Murder Charges Filed Against UNC Homicide-Driver

And one count of Driving While Islamist:

Authorities charged a recent University of North Carolina graduate with nine counts of attempted first-degree murder on Saturday, a day after police said he drove a sport utility vehicle through a popular campus gathering spot.

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, 22, is also charged with nine counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to cause bodily injury.

Derek Poarch, chief of the university's police department, confirmed Saturday that Taheri-azar, a native of Iran, told investigators he wanted to "avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world." Poarch would not provide any other details of Taheri-azar's motive.

I think we can all fill in the blanks.

... Taheri-azar told police Friday they would find things inside his apartment in nearby Carrboro that would shed light on his motives, Poarch said. That led authorities to ask the State Bureau of Investigation to search the apartment with a bomb squad, but Poarch said they didn't find anything dangerous.

How about a Koran?
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186946,00.html

UNC Grad in Court on Alleged Hit and Run
Monday, March 06, 2006

SUV Plows Into Crowd at University of North Carolina, Injuring Six
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — A University of North Carolina graduate from Iran, accused of running down nine people on campus to avenge the treatment of Muslims, said at a hearing Monday that he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah."
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Given your title for this George, I assume you see this action as being done by Islam itself?

If a Christian commits a violent act in the name of Christinaity, would you indict all of Christianity?
[size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size]
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Good grief Rick, even *I* don't think you're *that* simple minded......
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Mar 6 2006, 05:52 PM
Good grief Rick, even *I* don't think you're *that* simple minded......

Nor do I think George is that simple minded, which is why I have challenged him on his title which implies exactly what I have asked him about.
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No it is not being done by that religion itself. It is done in that religion's name, and that religion also calls itself the Religion of Peace, or as some here have called it The Religion of How Dare You! Catholicism to my meager knowledge at least has never called itself the religion of peace.

I'm being sarcastic.

Not being the religious scholar that some here are, I am treading on thin ice, but it may, just may be a fair statement that prominent leaders in Christianity have not called for exterminations of entire races of people, at least not in the last 500 years or so. Islam has not reached that level of maturity. This misguided soul is simply reflecting the words of countless imams and mullahs around the world. He is, indeed, representative of the dark side of Islam.

If the Catholic Church's bishops called for the extermination of Jews, and someone drove his auto through the parking lot at a synogogue, I would say the same thing.

Sheesh...
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George you are confused.
A religion didn't strike.
A person did.

I could commit a crime in the name of my dining room table.
Still *I* am the criminal.
It has nothing to do with dining room tables or others who also own them.

Neither dining room tables or religions strike.
People do.
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Would it be better if I had titled this thread:

"Muslim student attempts murder in the name of the Religion of Peace?"

And if your dining room table told you to commit a crime, it would be accurate to say "Kenny commits crime in name of dining room table."

Guns don't kill people either. They are the tool by which the killer accomplishes his goal. Islam is the force that drove (no pun intended, though it's not a bad one!) this person to attempt homicide. I can't believe that this is degenerating into a conversation of semantics.

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Here's today's New York Times' Summary

Notice how the Times blandly summarizes things.

“The man charged with nine counts of attempted murder for driving a Jeep through a crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill last Friday told the police that he deliberately rented a four-wheel-drive vehicle so he could ‘run over things and keep going,’ according to court papers released yesterday by investigators. Details in the search warrant for the Carrboro, N.C., apartment of the defendant, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, suggest that he had planned his actions for months and was disappointed the attack had not done more damage. None of the nine people who were struck by the Jeep Grand Cherokee as they were standing in a campus commons area known as the Pit were seriously injured.

“According to statements taken by the police, Mr. Taheri-azar, 22, an Iranian-born graduate of the university, felt that the United States government had been ‘killing his people across the sea’ and that his actions reflected ‘an eye for an eye.’”

Which people, exactly? The Times doesn’t say. For that, you have to look at the local coverage in Chapel Hill. The national “paper of record” doesn’t even use the term Muslim in the story, even though the suspect told the police the attack was to "avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world."
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If this were an isolated case like Phelps in the U.S. it wouldn't be an issue. Yet millions of Muslims across the world, including nation states, support this type of bahavior, murdering innocent people.

There is no analogy.
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Mark Steyn Weighs In.

Media shockingly ignorant of Muslims among us

March 12, 2006

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

This week's Voldemort Award goes to the New York Times for their account of a curious case of road rage in North Carolina:

"The man charged with nine counts of attempted murder for driving a Jeep through a crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill last Friday told the police that he deliberately rented a four-wheel-drive vehicle so he could 'run over things and keep going.' "

The driver in question was Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar.

Whoa, don't jump to conclusions. The Times certainly didn't. As the report continued:

"According to statements taken by the police, Mr. Taheri-azar, 22, an Iranian-born graduate of the university, felt that the United States government had been 'killing his people across the sea' and that his actions reflected 'an eye for an eye.'"

"His people"? And who exactly would that be? Taheri-azar is admirably upfront about his actions. As he told police, he wanted to "avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world."

And yet the M-word appears nowhere in the Times report. Whether intentionally or not, they seem to be channeling the great Sufi theologian and jurist al-Ghazali, who died a millennium ago but whose first rule on the conduct of dhimmis -- non-Muslims in Muslim society -- seem to have been taken on board by the Western media:

The dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle. . . .

Are they teaching that at Columbia Journalism School yet?

A fellow called Mohammed mows down a bunch of students? Just one of those things -- like a gran'ma in my neck of the woods a couple of years back who hit the wrong pedal in the parking lot and ploughed through a McDonald's, leaving the place a hideous tangle of crumbled drywall, splattered patties and incendiary hot apple-pie filling. Yet, according to his own statements, Taheri-azar committed an act of ideological domestic terrorism, which he'd planned for two months. He told police he was more disappointed more students in his path weren't struck and that he'd rented the biggest vehicle the agency had in order to do as much damage to as many people as possible. The Persian car pet may have been flooring it, but the media are idling in neutral, if not actively reversing away from the story as fast as they can. Taheri-azar informed the judge he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah," and it was apparently the will of Allah that he get behind the wheel of Allah.

Meanwhile, a new Washington Post/ABC poll finds that, in the words of the Post, "nearly half of Americans -- 46 percent -- have a negative view of Islam, seven percentage points higher than in the tense months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, when Muslims were often targeted for violence."

"Often" targeted? Want to put some hard numbers on that? Like to compare the "violence" Americans perpetrated on Muslims after the slaughter of thousands of their fellow citizens in the name of Allah with, say, the death toll perpetrated by Muslims annoyed over some itsy-bitsy cartoons in an obscure Danish newspaper? In September 2001, 99.99999 percent of Americans behaved with remarkable forbearance. If they're less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt these days, perhaps it's because of casual slurs like the Post's or the no-jihad-to-see-here-folks tone of the Times.

Ronald Stockton of the University of Michigan doesn't see it that way: "You're getting a constant drumbeat of negative information about Islam," he told the Post. By "negative information," Professor Stockton presumably means the London bombings, and the Bali bombings, and the Madrid bombings and the Istanbul bombings. But surely it's worth asking why in 2006 the Washington Post needs a man with a name like "Ronald Stockton" to explain Islam to us? The diversity bores in the media go out of their way to hire writers of color, writers of gender, writers of orientation. Yet, five years after 9/11, where's the New York Times' Muslim columnist? Where's the ''Today Show's'' Islamic weather girl? Why, indeed, are all the Muslim voices in the press broadly on the right -- Amir Taheri in the New York Post, Stephen Schwartz in the Weekly Standard, Fouad Ajami in the Wall Street Journal?

If Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar is not a free-lance terrorist, then what is he? Who is he? What's he thinking? In the absence of any explanatory voices from the Muslim community, all we have are the bare bones of his resume: He's a 22-year old UNC psychology major who graduated in December. And what's revealing is the link between Taheri-azar's grievance and his action.

Take him at his word: He's upset about "the treatment of Muslims around the world" -- presumably at the hands of Israelis on the West Bank, of the Russians in Chechnya, the Indians in Kashmir, the Americans in the Sunni Triangle and the Danes in the funny pages. So what does he do to avenge Islam? He goes to the rental agency, takes out the biggest car on the lot, drives it to UNC and rams it into the men and women he's spent the last few years studying with and socializing with -- the one group of infidels he knows really well.

How many Muslims feel similarly? Not many in America, perhaps -- if only when compared to Europe: For all the multiculti blather, the United States still does a better job assimilating immigrants than France or Germany. A recent poll found that 40 percent of British Muslims want sharia introduced in the United Kingdom and 20 percent sympathized with the "feelings and motives" of the July 7 London Tube bombers. Or, more accurately, 20 percent were prepared to admit to a pollster they felt sympathy, which suggests the real figure might be somewhat higher. Huge numbers of Muslims -- many of them British subjects born and bred -- see their fellow Britons blown apart on trains and buses and are willing to rationalize the actions of mass murderers.

"East is east and west is west/And ne'er the twain shall meet," wrote Kipling. Obviously, they meet every moment of the day -- the cabbie driving you to your appointment in Washington, the affable fellow at the corner store. But proximity isn't the same as understanding: Taheri-azar and that 20 percent of British Muslims think they know "the west" and they don't like it. By contrast, the New York Times and Co. insist they like "the east" but go to an awful lot of trouble to avoid finding out anything that would ruffle their illusions. The twain would never meet, said Kipling, "till Earth and Sky meet presently/At God's great judgment seat."

I'd rather find out before then. Five years after Sept. 11, it's astonishing how little we still know about the West's Muslim populations.

©Mark Steyn, 2006
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Donald Stockton of the University of Michigan doesn't see it that way: "You're getting a constant drumbeat of negative information about Islam."


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By "negative information," Professor Stockton presumably means the London bombings, and the Bali bombings, and the Madrid bombings and the Istanbul bombings.


Bombings are not information, media coverage is information. The problem with media is that (understandably) they do not give equal coverage to both 'good' and 'bad' events, and they give no coverage to 'neutral' events, as such it is very easy for the public to get a skewed view from media coverage. Mr Stockton's point seems reasonable enough to me.

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Or, more accurately, 20 percent were prepared to admit to a pollster they felt sympathy, which suggests the real figure might be somewhat higher. Huge numbers of Muslims -- many of them British subjects born and bred -- see their fellow Britons blown apart on trains and buses and are willing to rationalize the actions of mass murderers.


Having 'some sympathy' != rationalise the actions of mass murderers.

Furthermore rationalise != agree with

You can try to come up with plausible explanations for why events happen from world war 2 to Sept 11th doing so does not detract from their horror.
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