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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 26 2006, 01:23 PM (308 Views) | |
| AlbertaCrude | Jan 26 2006, 01:23 PM Post #1 |
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Bull-Carp
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Doctors in all provinces should be able to force people who are mentally ill to get help in certain circumstances... |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 26 2006, 01:23 PM Post #2 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Okay, but who pays the bill? |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 26 2006, 01:26 PM Post #3 |
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Bull-Carp
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The issue is public safety. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 26 2006, 01:32 PM Post #4 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Well I don't disagree with it, but I'm trying to work out the logistics. Some mental institutions (and in this case, I’m thinking of a few I know for juveniles) are so swamped with patients that they have " expedited services": group therapy for an hour every day (which can be a real joke), and then one-on-one time with a therapist for an hour a week. After two months, they're let go. It'd be great to get these people help (since a lot of the homeless have mental illness), but if the services aren't all that great due to overpopulated institutions then the system itself would also need some work. |
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| big al | Jan 26 2006, 01:45 PM Post #5 |
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Bull-Carp
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I'll be interested to see some authoritative responses in this thread. I believe it is possible, at least in Pennsylvania, to have a person committed to a mental institution against his will if he poses a threat to himself or others. I've heard concerns expressed about the opposite issue to that posed in the posted article; i.e., once committed, how does a person secure release? Any information I have is anecdotal and related to specific cases, so I'm curious to learn what the law actually says about this and how it varies state to state. Big Al |
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| kathyk | Jan 26 2006, 02:20 PM Post #6 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Yes. Involuntary commitment is a pretty common practice. There has no be an opportunity for hearing before a judge, and there has to be clear and convincing evidence that the person is either a threat to himself or others. As to forcing medication outside of an institution, I can't see why that would be unconstitutional, but I don't know how it would be enforced, aside from by a court appointed guardian who would have the authority to do so. This is speaking from Maine law, but I think the laws in other states are fairly similar. |
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| kenny | Jan 26 2006, 02:22 PM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Didn't Ronnie RayGun solve the problem of overcrowding of mental institutuions by just releasing all the patients to the streets? I think we call them homeless people now. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 26 2006, 02:26 PM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Big Al, that is the specific point. In those provinces some mentally ill out patients can be required by not only the presiding psychiatrist, but court order to take their medication under provinically appointed guardian or trusteeship, or face going into provincial detention without due process under criminal code statutes. |
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| sue | Jan 26 2006, 02:37 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Is this related to the ruling that ambulance personnel cannot force someone to come with them? There was an incident recently where a street person refused to get in an ambulance. He was, by all accounts, physically and mentally ill, in very bad shape (in a wheelchair as well), but they didn't take him because he said he didn't want to. He died later that night. |
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| Jolly | Jan 26 2006, 02:39 PM Post #10 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Random drug tests. Just like for illicit drugs, but for therapeutic ones. Rarely, if ever used. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 26 2006, 02:43 PM Post #11 |
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Bull-Carp
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No, I think this is separate. |
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