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| Circumcision and HIV | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 25 2006, 03:15 PM (223 Views) | |
| bachophile | Jan 25 2006, 03:15 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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i know we have had circumcision threads, but thats not the idea here. i just saw that this was listed as one of the top 10 general medical stories of 2005 on medscape, a for MD's website which gives me weekly updates. Randomized, Controlled Intervention Trial of Male Circumcision for Reduction of HIV Infection Risk: The ANRS 1265 Trial Conclusion:Male circumcision provides a degree of protection against acquiring HIV infection, equivalent to what a vaccine of high efficacy would have achieved. Male circumcision may provide an important way of reducing the spread of HIV infection in sub-Saharan Africa. (Preliminary and partial results were presented at the International AIDS Society 2005 Conference, on 26 July 2005, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.) original article found at...Pubmedcentral |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 25 2006, 05:32 PM Post #2 |
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Bull-Carp
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Might help the promiscuous men, but it'll to do bugger all for intravenous drug users who share needles. |
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| bachophile | Jan 25 2006, 05:37 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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in africa the issue is sex |
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| Shammy | Jan 25 2006, 05:41 PM Post #4 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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I read the article, what I could understand of it. If HIV is contracted through blood or secretions, how does circumcision help prevent that other than perhaps the condom fitting better? Most of us have our boy children circumcised at birth because of health and hygiene reasons, cleanliness, easier to keep clean, etc. Going back to read again but not seeing the connection. |
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| kenny | Jan 25 2006, 05:43 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Makes sense to me. I believe the skin on the head of the penis of uncircumsised men is more tender and, I'd guess actually more permeable on since it is protected from contact with anything 99.999% of the time. Cut men must have tougher and less permeable skin from a lifetime of contact with the air and garments. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 25 2006, 05:43 PM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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I know bach. Actually I heard about this study in Africa several years back- something to with the characteristics of underside of the foreskin if I recall. I also remember a BBC World Service news documentary about 12 years ago in which the incidence of HIV is almost nil among AB negative blood types. This pattern was apparnetly first noticed among prostitutes in Nairobi. Haven't heard anymore since. |
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| Shammy | Jan 25 2006, 05:47 PM Post #7 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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I found this... a little bit more understandable for me. Clues found to circumcision's HIV-protective effect In their study, presented here Saturday at the American Urological Association's annual meeting, researchers evaluated 14 samples of foreskin tissue from children and adults. They also examined specimens of female cervical tissue. To determine how susceptible the tissue might be to HIV infection, they counted the number of three types of immune system cells that are known to become infected with HIV in each specimen. The researchers counted CD4+ T-cells, macrophages and Langerhan's cells. Compared to cervical tissue, the foreskins contained higher numbers of the three infectable cell types. Adult foreskins contained the highest proportion. Further, when they tried to infect the samples with HIV, they found that the inner surface of the foreskin was seven times more susceptible to infection than the cervical tissue and the outer foreskin. But AC has a good point about needle sharing problems. Circumcision won't help that. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jan 25 2006, 06:30 PM Post #8 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Like Kenny, it makes sense to me as well. If I recall correctly, the virus lives just a matter of seconds, less than a minute, I think, outside of some protective environment -- i.e. when it is in the open air. Thus, its ability to stay alive for long periods of time within the foreskin while it is not protected if there is no foreskin seems to make sense. (On a tangential but related note, I was surpsied to hear today that the largest group of people with AIDS in South Africa were young women. I know it primarily afftects heterosexuials in Africa, but I did not know it was young women who were most infected in a place like South Africa where such a large percentage of the population is HIV+.) |
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| apple | Jan 25 2006, 08:32 PM Post #9 |
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one of the angels
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that means one would only have sex .001% of the time (practicing my math) |
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| Kincaid | Jan 25 2006, 10:07 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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All I can say is, "Thanks Mom!" |
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| Shammy | Jan 26 2006, 07:06 AM Post #11 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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My first two boys were done at the hospital but the third one was done at the Doctor's office. I don't think, had the first one been done at the doctor's office, that I would have suffered through with the other two. I can't imagine men going through it in adulthood! I never had brothers so raising boys has been interesting. One of my friends saved her son's foreskin ring, sealed in plastic, and put it in his baby book. I think thats pretty weird. |
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| kenny | Jan 26 2006, 07:13 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Saved the foreskin ring? EWWWW! |
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| Jolly | Jan 26 2006, 07:25 AM Post #13 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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CDC may be rethinking that one a bit....the Hep stuff is notorius for having some fairly long lives on inanimate objects, but HIV has always been noted for its inability to live long outside of the body. Then they found a strain that was still viable at 4 hours, although they could not prove it was still virile. If I understand correctly, work continues. On another note.....what about the Brit who supposedly dropped his viral load back to zero, and no longer takes Retrorvir or other anti-virals? Anything new? |
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| George K | Jan 26 2006, 07:37 AM Post #14 |
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An alternative suggestion: Hygiene. Isn't hygiene (or the lack of it) one of the predisposing factors for penile cancer? Could one make a similar argument here? |
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