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Stability of relationships; Heterosexual vs. Homosexual
Topic Started: Jan 24 2006, 02:21 PM (232 Views)
George K
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I just had an interesting conversation with my daughter about homosexual marriage. Without getting into that argument, an interesting question arose:

Are heterosexual relationships, and marriages more long lasting, "stable" - if you will, than homosexual relationships? Does anyone have any data to support one point of view vs. another? It is certainly the perception of some that gay relationships are not as long-lasting as non gay relationships, but has that every been shown?

Hmmmm?
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George K
Jan 24 2006, 02:21 PM
It is certainly the perception of some that gay relationships are not as long-lasting as non gay relationships,

It is?
Certainly?
Just like that?
Well that sure sums THAT up.

Oh, don't you mean YOU have that perception, and I'd guess now your daughter has too. Thanks a lot.
You need to get out more.

I think data will be hard to come by for a few generations.
Too many people teaching and preaching hate and fear.

Gays are closted for VERY good reasons.

You have a legit question.
Sorry, I think there is no legit answer.

Every can cite their experience, but what good is that?
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mmm vaguely recall homosexual men having more sexual partners then heterosexuals who in turn had more sexual partners than homosexual women, which makes sense... i'm not sure whether that says anything about "stability" once people enter into a long term relationship though.
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I don't have data to back this up, but my initial thoughts were that homosexuals had more stable relationships. Perhaps because there's about 1/50th of the "available candidates" when looking for a mate as compared to heterosexuals? I don't know.

I could see homosexual relationships coming and going a lot quicker in the beginning, but I can also see homosexual relationships as being a LOT stronger compared to other heterosexual relationships that also don't have kids.

I think, though, in the end that heterosexual relationships in general are more stable...whether because of marriage, kids, family, etc...who knows.
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Sorry George.
I shouldn't jump on you.

I'd just teach my daughter that, gay or straight, people are people.
Everybody wants the same thing, love and stability.

I'd also mention to her that because of discrimination most gays are invisible so it is impossible to get data about them.
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I have not seen any unassailable data, esp since heterosexual relationships that are hoping to be permanent (marriage) tend to get registered along with failure rates (divorce), where as there is no verifiable data for homosexual relationships that are intended to be permanent.

I do recall posting quite a few months ago some survey regarding the homosexual patterns of relationships that seemed quite credible since it was surveyed at a huge gay rights rally and participated in by a large number of active politically open homosexuals without any apparent bias on the part of the pollsters.

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ivorythumper
Jan 24 2006, 05:46 PM
My kingdom for a search engine on this site!

Hear! Hear!

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I can only answer with an anecdote. My marriage is coming up on 20 years in April. I almost wrecked it but we survived and are better than ever. However, I go thru gay trysts like pez candy.

Go figure.
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Jan 24 2006, 02:46 PM
I have not seen any unassailable data, esp since heterosexual relationships that are hoping to be permanent (marriage) tend to get registered along with failure rates (divorce), where as there is no verifiable data for homosexual relationships that are intended to be permanent.

I do recall posting quite a few months ago some survey regarding the homosexual patterns of relationships that seemed quite credible since it was surveyed at a huge gay rights rally and participated in by a large number of active politically open homosexuals without any apparent bias on the part of the pollsters. 

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I suspect gays at a rally are more political than the general population of gays.
Most gays are apathetic slobs sitting on their couches watching TV, just like straights.

I'd expect this group being surveyed would be wise to the uses of such a survey and skewed their answers to make the gay life seem very wholesome.
There are plenty of very sexually active gays.
I'll also add that married "straights" make up a very large percentage of the customers of gay bath houses, per a Los Angeles Times article a few months ago.

No, good data will only be available when there is no longer reasons to hide.
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Kincaid
Jan 24 2006, 02:52 PM
I can only answer with an anecdote. My marriage is coming up on 20 years in April. I almost wrecked it but we survived and are better than ever. However, I go thru gay trysts like pez candy.

Go figure.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's funny cause Jose and I have been "married" for 80 years but all my one night stands have been with women.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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There can be no valid statistical data to show any type of comparison between heterosexual and homosexual relationships in terms of longevity.

Heterosexual relationships receive immense and constant legal, moral, psychological and emotional support from the entire society -- from the government through the media through religious and social organizations through marketing through entertainment.

Homosexual relations not only get none of this, but get the exact opposite in many if not most quarters of our society.

Uless one has a way to control for these variables, any survey that claims to show comparable statistics is fatally and completely flawed.
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George K
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Jan 24 2006, 05:52 PM
I go thru gay trysts like pez candy.

A gay Pez dispenser... now there's a thought. If you pulled on the "head" what do you think would come out...

Nyahh...
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kenny
Jan 24 2006, 03:57 PM
ivorythumper
Jan 24 2006, 02:46 PM
I have not seen any unassailable data, esp since heterosexual relationships that are hoping to be permanent (marriage) tend to get registered along with failure rates (divorce), where as there is no verifiable data for homosexual relationships that are intended to be permanent.

I do recall posting quite a few months ago some survey regarding the homosexual patterns of relationships that seemed quite credible since it was surveyed at a huge gay rights rally and participated in by a large number of active politically open homosexuals without any apparent bias on the part of the pollsters. 

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IV
I suspect gays at a rally are more political than the general population of gays.
Most gays are apathetic slobs sitting on their couches watching TV, just like straights.

I'd expect this group being surveyed was be wise to the uses of such a survey and skewed their answers to make the gay life seem very wholesome.

No, good data will only be available when there is no longer reasons to hide.

If I recall, it did not portray a very wholesome picture, which took the pollsters by surprise.
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Rick Zimmer
Jan 24 2006, 06:02 PM
Uless one has a way to control for these variables, any survey that claims to show comparable statistics is fatally and completely flawed.

That's what my impression (based on ZERO studies) is.
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kenny
Jan 24 2006, 02:58 PM
Kincaid
Jan 24 2006, 02:52 PM
I can only answer with an anecdote.  My marriage is coming up on 20 years in April.  I almost wrecked it but we survived and are better than ever.  However, I go thru gay trysts like pez candy.

Go figure.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's funny cause Jose and I have been "married" for 80 years but all my one night stands have been with women.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Marriage agrees with you - you look great for being 80. ;)
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George K
Jan 24 2006, 04:03 PM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 24 2006, 06:02 PM
Uless one has a way to control for these variables, any survey that claims to show comparable statistics is fatally and completely flawed.

That's what my impression (based on ZERO studies) is.

that is an incredibly efficient way to arrive at a conclusion! :wink:
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Jan 24 2006, 03:02 PM
Kincaid
Jan 24 2006, 05:52 PM
I go thru gay trysts like pez candy.

A gay Pez dispenser... now there's a thought. If you pulled on the "head" what do you think would come out...

Nyahh...

Maybe some ambergris.
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Jan 24 2006, 03:02 PM
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Jan 24 2006, 03:57 PM
ivorythumper
Jan 24 2006, 02:46 PM
I have not seen any unassailable data, esp since heterosexual relationships that are hoping to be permanent (marriage) tend to get registered along with failure rates (divorce), where as there is no verifiable data for homosexual relationships that are intended to be permanent.

I do recall posting quite a few months ago some survey regarding the homosexual patterns of relationships that seemed quite credible since it was surveyed at a huge gay rights rally and participated in by a large number of active politically open homosexuals without any apparent bias on the part of the pollsters. 

My kingdom for a search engine on this site!

IV
I suspect gays at a rally are more political than the general population of gays.
Most gays are apathetic slobs sitting on their couches watching TV, just like straights.

I'd expect this group being surveyed was be wise to the uses of such a survey and skewed their answers to make the gay life seem very wholesome.

No, good data will only be available when there is no longer reasons to hide.

If I recall, it did not portray a very wholesome picture, which took the pollsters by surprise.

My point exactly.

They were a bunch of lying sluts! :o
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Kincaid
Jan 24 2006, 03:52 PM
I go thru gay trysts like pez candy.

I never understood the relevance of your log on name before, Kinkaid.
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Jus' doing what I can.
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I once had a (gay) friend of mine, in his mid-thirties at the time, say, "I'd love to settle down in a stable relationship. But the whole world is convinced that my lifestyle is so fringe and out there and kinky, that I feel like I have something to live up to. So I feel like I might as well have fun with the stereotype and have sex with whoever I want, since that's what people will assume i'm doing anyways."

I'm not saying that's the way most gay men think, but it was an interesting perspective. If you've already doing something considered to be "wrong" by such a large part of the population, why bother to conform to the idea of a monogamous relationship either? Even if you're in one, you're still going to be wrong, in many people's eyes.
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Dol, I think you might have hit the pez on the ambergris.

However, there might be a different dynamic in lesbian relationships.
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Jan 24 2006, 06:04 PM
that is an incredibly efficient way to arrive at a conclusion! :wink:

My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with science. :sombrero:
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