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| Axtremus | Jan 23 2006, 05:10 PM Post #126 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Let's rephease the question: Five persons: {Wife/mother, Child#1, Child#2, Child#3, Child#4} Only four gets to live. You pick which four. Jolly says her wife would let herself die, damn the future of all four would-be orphans. sue says she would let Child#4 die so the mother can continue to care for the other three children. I say to each his/her own. Either way, I repeat the importance to have proper "advance directive" in place just in case... a decision as important as this, you don't want to pull another Terry Schiavo in this regard. Your Coffe Room posts cannot function as your "advance directive." |
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| sue | Jan 23 2006, 05:28 PM Post #127 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Thank you, bach. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jan 23 2006, 06:00 PM Post #128 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Damn you Jews! Always thinking, thinking, thinking! Abnd making the rest of us look stupid! If I didn't know any better, I would assume you people secretly run the world!
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| LWpianistin | Jan 23 2006, 06:05 PM Post #129 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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and yet American fashion now worships Europe? Europe is sooo much better (in general). |
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| bachophile | Jan 23 2006, 06:09 PM Post #130 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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shhhhhhh!!!!!!, we're trying to keep it a secret |
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| LWpianistin | Jan 23 2006, 06:12 PM Post #131 |
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um, it might be a shock to you, but the whole world doesn't listen to the word of an old guy in a robe all respect to John Paul II and Benedict whatever-he-is (XVI?). seriously though, why does their word matter more than anyone else's? the whole world isn't exactly Catholic...
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| kathyk | Jan 23 2006, 07:14 PM Post #132 |
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Pisa-Carp
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You are denser than I thought, Your Crudeness. So what are they going to do? Run mind tests on pregant women before they're allowed to leave the state to see if they're intending to get an abortion? Unless they're prepared to prosecute in the state for the abortion that was obtained outside the state, there's no way they could make abortion outside the state a prosecutable offense. |
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| TomK | Jan 23 2006, 07:31 PM Post #133 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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But if you just substitute Jew (or anything or anyone else,) for fetus you make a valid point for whatever you may want. Either ALL live is sacred--or we just define life as we see legally fit. Would Himmler have said: "Aryan doctrine on the killing of Jews: allowable, even required, when the life of an Aryan is at stake Given that the killing of Jews does not equate to murder - in the case of threat to an Aryan's life, the killing of a Jew becomes a requirement." What "life" is, is a matter of a simple definition in a rule book--nothing more. Either life is sacred or the definition of "life" is a matter if interpretation of the "people in charge." I don't see any middle ground. With all due respects, Tom (Want to get on the Woo Woo TomK's an Anti-Semite stchick, fine--but it's a valid question.) |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 23 2006, 08:56 PM Post #134 |
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Bull-Carp
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I thought I told you to wait in truck. Quirt already answered my question. Stop making yourself into a bigger fool than you already are. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 23 2006, 09:01 PM Post #135 |
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Bull-Carp
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TomK: the reference to Himmler and company in your post was totally unnecessary. You possess sufficent grey matter in your brain to have explained your point without repeating that same anti-semitic bitterness you have shown the past year. Go back to being shunned and while you're at it, take KathyK with you as she has shown herself to be equally as anti-semitic in past. |
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| apple | Jan 23 2006, 09:20 PM Post #136 |
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one of the angels
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should it be illegalized? no.. i really don't think so.. it is important that such a practice be regulated and there should be some way of culling the very stupid among us... they are a total drag on society. is it just about the vilest, grossest, inhumane, diabolic thing we do as humans? To tell you the truth i view cannibalism (of the already naturally dead of course) as a more acceptable behavior.. i have an old good girlfriend - at the forefront of research on lung disease in the very young and she is in major trouble from the prolifers for 'ordering' fetal tissue to study. She is at the mercy of a prolife group who obtained her application to use the lungs of the aborted to further her research. |
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| Axtremus | Jan 23 2006, 09:38 PM Post #137 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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You should watch more Star Trek to learn the definitions of life. |
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| musicasacra | Jan 23 2006, 10:09 PM Post #138 |
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i used to work in politics, and i know how polls are really conducted. when the questions are being asked, the group paying for the poll and conducting the poll do not necessary reveal their true identity. the website such a poll is published on might also lack true identification, details, etc. the questions are sometimes loaded with a preference for a particular outcome and use introductory language that is not objective. i worked on polls just like that. btw, that site did not have the question in quotes. i can only assume the statement to be a summary of what was asked, not specifics. you can get a sense of the veracity of a poll if its publication includes some or most of these: who paid for the poll who conducted the poll how were the questions worded how were the questions introduced and explained who were the persons polled (i.e., how were they selected) what was the size of the sample on what dates was the poll conducted is it responsible to grab a random poll off the internet and cite it because it shows the results you like, without checking on those relevant questions? |
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| sue | Jan 23 2006, 10:19 PM Post #139 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It's the middle ground I find worth talking about. Perhaps my coming from a place with no religious 'baggage' if I may, puts me in a place you can't get to. I believe there are grey areas, and I appreciate having my eyes opened to a religion that has some acknowledgement of this. |
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| gryphon | Jan 23 2006, 10:28 PM Post #140 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Perfect. This place never fails to disappoint. I was going to reply to 89th's initial post to disagree with him and tell him although I hate to agree with the RZ's of this world who are sure to come later they would be right and he wrong, but I thought I'd pop to the last page to see if anyone else had an intelligent reply first. Imagine my surprise. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jan 23 2006, 10:49 PM Post #141 |
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Exactly. Any poll that seeks credibility based on its objectivity is going to publish all of that information. And you are exactly right, MS, without that there is no way to determine the validity of the poll. And even those that are valid are based on statistical maipulation of the data and if the method of manipulation is flawed, the poll results will be flawed, even if the statisticians do their best to guard against it. And then there are times when the poll is simply wrong. And finally, a poll is only a snapshot of the moment. This is why trends are so important -- and the valid polling organizations seeking to show true trends, use the same questions, the same methodology and the same statistical maniulation techniques every time. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 23 2006, 11:36 PM Post #142 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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John, you keep drumming this up as if anyone (at least here) has called you a baby murderer. Are you an abortionist? If not, then I don't see why anyone would have any grounds for calling you a baby murderer. |
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| gryphon | Jan 23 2006, 11:44 PM Post #143 |
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Why do you say this? They are not even swing votes in Roe v. Wade. |
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| gryphon | Jan 23 2006, 11:49 PM Post #144 |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 24 2006, 12:04 AM Post #145 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Ax: I trust that most of us here are able to distinguish between perceived reality and fiction. Just because it's on TV doesn't mean it's true. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 24 2006, 12:09 AM Post #146 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Not invalid at all, and not anti semitic. In fact, he is arguing that just as the Jews are human beings, the embryo is. And that the same arbitrary standard of determining who lives and who dies applies in both cases. It seems a fair analogy, and the umbrage taken at it is misplaced. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 24 2006, 03:25 AM Post #147 |
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Cheers
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Don't be silly, LW. Everyone I know is waiting to see what Pope PanzerFaust says before they make up their mind on the issue. |
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| George K | Jan 24 2006, 03:43 AM Post #148 |
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(jumping in here to make a comment) Be careful Jon. You're awfully close to the Bush=Hitler argument, which, of course invalidates everything you say subsequently. (slinks off to go to work).
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| jon-nyc | Jan 24 2006, 04:10 AM Post #149 |
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I was just having some fun, George. Prior to his election as pope one of the blogs that was handicapping the race started calling him the PanzerKardinal which I thought was just brilliant. They then shifted to the PanzerFaust title after the election. I should have footnoted it, but i've forgotten the name of the blog. In all seriousness, though, I'm less and less inclined to support Roe v Wade even though I'm very much pro choice. Firstly, I really think that federalism is a necessary escape valve for a society with such different subcultures. Andrew Sullivan once said (paraphrasing) 'forcing Mississippi and California into the same social model is a recipe for disaster.' Secondly, I'm not a huge fan of Griswold or penumbra theories generally. I have some (some) sympathy for the constructionist viewpoint. Thirdly, (and perhaps most cynically) I think the overturning Roe will upset the alliance between the Rockefeller and Goldwater wings of the Republican party, which will ultimately result in the marginalization of the latter. THis would be a huge benefit to the country, indeed the world. |
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| LWpianistin | Jan 24 2006, 04:10 AM Post #150 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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was there any point to that post at all, gryphon? if you were going to reply to 89th's original post, why didn't you? i mean, I of course know that only you have the "real" opinions and intellect, and no one else is entitled to have opinions of their own (seeing as they're all too stupid to really know what they're talking about), but i'm not sure if everyone else has caught on....
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Who said that and just what is it supposed to mean?
all respect to John Paul II and Benedict whatever-he-is (XVI?). seriously though, why does their word matter more than anyone else's? the whole world isn't exactly Catholic...


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