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| South Dakota to ban abortions?; ...the perfect law. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 23 2006, 07:56 AM (4,190 Views) | |
| John D'Oh | Jan 23 2006, 12:59 PM Post #76 |
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In all honesty, if I had to choose between my wife and unborn child, I'd decide for my wife every time, unless she'd very explicitly told me otherwise. Even then I'd have to struggle very hard to come down on the side of the unborn, and I'm not sure I could do so. |
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| sue | Jan 23 2006, 01:04 PM Post #77 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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This makes sense to me. |
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| The 89th Key | Jan 23 2006, 01:06 PM Post #78 |
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When I was 8, my mom was pregnant with my younger brother. He had developmental problems, and almost every doctor said she should have an abortion because labor could risk her life. My dad said the decision was hers, she went through with having the baby, she survived, and the baby died a few seconds after birth. |
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| The 89th Key | Jan 23 2006, 01:08 PM Post #79 |
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I see what you're saying, and I think most pro-lifers around here including me support the right to an abortion if it threatens the mothers life. Hence laws coming out criminalizing abortions except to save the life of the mother. Would you hold that position? |
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| musicasacra | Jan 23 2006, 01:11 PM Post #80 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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that was very courageous of your mom. the St. Gianna Beretta Molla -- a physician -- i mentioned before was a mother of three when she chose to protect her unborn baby. |
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| Optimistic | Jan 23 2006, 01:15 PM Post #81 |
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Yes. I was just trying to point out that, although I personally would not abort were my life at risk, I can't see forcing that same rationale on a non-believer. I myself am absolutely against abortion. For society, not as much. |
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PHOTOS I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week, sometimes, to make it up. - Mark Twain We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. -T. S. Eliot | |
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| The 89th Key | Jan 23 2006, 01:18 PM Post #82 |
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I can definitely see what you mean, however are you in favor of making abortions legal ONLY when the life of the mother is in danger? |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 23 2006, 01:33 PM Post #83 |
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Personally, I think you are hallucinating. A law passed in one of the least populous states in the nation is hardly having the abortion issue coming back to haunt the left big-time. Every national poll ... every single one ... shows a very substantial majority of the American public in favor of a woman's right to an abortion, at least in the first trimester. You can argue around the edges ... whether kids should be able to get abortion without parental consent, whether married women should have to notify their spouses ... but the bottom line is that, for a single, adult woman in the first trimester, most of the American public believes that she should be allowed to make that choice. That's not a majority in every state, but it's a very clear majority nationwide. This is one issue where the left is in the majority. Deal with it. |
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| Jolly | Jan 23 2006, 02:08 PM Post #84 |
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I don't even has to ask her. My wife would lay it on the line in a heartbeat. See, that bunch of cells bouncing around your uterus is your child, just the same as the eight-year old sitting at the kitchen table. It would be the same decision as picking up a baseball bat, and killing the youngest children in time of famine...it achieves the desired result, but at what cost to the soul? |
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| sue | Jan 23 2006, 02:17 PM Post #85 |
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What about the responsiblility, and love, of the three kids? Is that so unimportant to you? Why bring another child into the world when you've left three heartbroken children motherless? |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 23 2006, 02:19 PM Post #86 |
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Well, I listed those as choices for the unborn child, not really for the existing children. |
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| kathyk | Jan 23 2006, 02:29 PM Post #87 |
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I guess they must be gearing up for appeals, then, because it is against federal law to ban abortions prior to the 3rd trimester. Or, maybe they're banking on Roberts and Ailito tipping the scales on Roe v. Wade. In any event, sounds like SD has some overly eager beavers in their legislature - nothing like thumbing one's nose at the law of the land. You know, even if Roberts and Ailito turn out to be the swing votes in this direction, I say, bring 'em on. All it will take are a few states to outlaw abortion, altogether, and you're going to see a massive rally toward abortion rights. I guarantee it, considering that over two-thirds of Americans favor abortion rights. And MS, I've seen the stats in your state. It's not nearly as overwhelming as your suggest. If memory serves, the pro-life/pro-choice ratio, although low on the pro-choice end than the national average, was very near 50/50. |
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| Jolly | Jan 23 2006, 02:34 PM Post #88 |
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Why kill the fourth? |
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| Jolly | Jan 23 2006, 02:38 PM Post #89 |
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Stats don't always tell the truth. SD is not a big state, population wise. Much like Wyoming. When Cheney was Wyoming's lone congressman, it was said people routinely approached him on the street, calling him by his first name. In a small state, people pretty much know where you stand. And while the vote may be closer than some think, I'll bet on the native.... |
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| sue | Jan 23 2006, 02:47 PM Post #90 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Because the three children you've already brought into the world deserve the best you can do for them. And I don't think dying when you have a choice, is the best you can do. If you bring kids into the world, you are responsible for them. |
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| Optimistic | Jan 23 2006, 02:48 PM Post #91 |
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Well, this is where the whole "not being sure of which camp I fall into" issue comes up. I know what my personal choice would be, but I struggle with how much these beliefs should be forced on the rest of society. |
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PHOTOS I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week, sometimes, to make it up. - Mark Twain We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. -T. S. Eliot | |
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| Jolly | Jan 23 2006, 02:48 PM Post #92 |
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And if you are pregnant with the next one, you are responsible for that one, also. |
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| bachophile | Jan 23 2006, 02:51 PM Post #93 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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AC said...
what a brilliant and novel idea. i wonder where it came from, who would have thought it? i wonder what tradition could have been so....unique in its understanding. in other words, things are not always black and white. life or death. there can be shades of grey...amazingly refreshing idea. must be some new age thinker.... |
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| sue | Jan 23 2006, 02:56 PM Post #94 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I see it as a choice, Jolly. Not an easy one, but one that would have to be made. My responsibility would be to the ones I've already brought into the world. I could not willingly leave my kids motherless. |
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| musicasacra | Jan 23 2006, 02:56 PM Post #95 |
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well that depends on the poll and the way the questions are asked, doesn't it. i used to work in politics are know all about poll spinning. if it's 50/50, then why is there only one abortion clinic in the entire state, staffed by doctors who are flown in from out of state? |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 23 2006, 03:02 PM Post #96 |
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Sincere question. If S.D. has a law prohibiting abortions can a resident still leave the state and have one performed elsewhere then return without the possibility of prosecution? |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 23 2006, 03:04 PM Post #97 |
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I forget the source. But it seemed highly credible.
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| musicasacra | Jan 23 2006, 03:05 PM Post #98 |
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i don't believe that's part of the bill being proposed. i think the point is to make south dakota a pro-life state. the way south dakotans deal with something that is not accepted by communities is to quietly work at legislation to address it. |
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| bachophile | Jan 23 2006, 03:06 PM Post #99 |
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well, if u need translations from the hebrew, ill let u know. as for your question, i heard canada will extradite all S.D. felons. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jan 23 2006, 03:07 PM Post #100 |
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I see. Kinda like muncipalities and communities declaring their area a nuclear free zone back in 70's and 80's. |
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