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South Dakota to ban abortions?; ...the perfect law.
Topic Started: Jan 23 2006, 07:56 AM (4,192 Views)
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the culture of death is pervasive everywhere. attention has been given to europe (and other places) because of the dwindling attendance at religious services and a growing atheism.


Sometimes i'm afraid to leave my house, the culture of death will just get me, i'm sure of it. It's like this big black cloud, it kind of roams around Europe zapping people with it's _evilness_. Infact omg it's here, it's here, it's outside!! no wait, wait, oh that was a rain cloud, my bad.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:39 AM
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Jan 23 2006, 09:25 AM
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Jan 23 2006, 10:24 AM
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Jan 23 2006, 08:58 AM
that's because europe is losing its soul.  it's denying the inherent value of life and giving into the culture of death.

That's a little over the top, don't you think?

no it isn't. i'm not the first to say it either.

:blink: Who said that and just what is it supposed to mean?

JP II first spoke of the culture of death. IT could likely cite all of the apostolic letters and encyclicals in which JP II discusses the culture of death.

Benedict is continuing to speak about it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/0...e.warning.reut/
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Jan 23 2006, 09:35 AM
the culture of death is pervasive everywhere. attention has been given to europe (and other places) because of the dwindling attendance at religious services and a growing atheism.


Excuse me? You equate dwindling church attendance and aethism with 'the culture of death'?? That is an outrageous statement.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:43 AM
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Jan 23 2006, 09:35 AM
the culture of death is pervasive everywhere.  attention has been given to europe (and other places) because of the dwindling attendance at religious services and a growing atheism.


Excuse me? You equate dwindling church attendance and aethism with 'the culture of death'?? That is an outrageous statement.

no, check out the link i gave. i said that's a sign of europe losing its soul, its moral compass. the culture of death is about losing respect for human life -- abortions, contraception, etc.
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As for the whole weakening of Europe's moral fibre, I suppose it depends on what criteria you consider, but I have a feeling John, Moonbat and others are soul-secured...
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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So when does the Vatican move to America? An Avignon Papacy redux.
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Jan 23 2006, 09:41 AM
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the culture of death is pervasive everywhere. attention has been given to europe (and other places) because of the dwindling attendance at religious services and a growing atheism.


Sometimes i'm afraid to leave my house, the culture of death will just get me, i'm sure of it. It's like this big black cloud, it kind of roams around Europe zapping people with it's _evilness_. Infact omg it's here, it's here, it's outside!! no wait, wait, oh that was a rain cloud, my bad.

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Oh no, I think it's spreading over here! :hide:
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Jan 23 2006, 09:46 AM

Oh no, I think it's spreading over here! :hide:

What, the rain cloud? 'Cause man, it's cold and damp all around over here. I'd hope for snow, but I know that's just a fool's fantasy this winter, so I'd settle for another 60-degree weather day. :(
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jan 23 2006, 09:44 AM
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musicasacra
Jan 23 2006, 09:35 AM
the culture of death is pervasive everywhere.  attention has been given to europe (and other places) because of the dwindling attendance at religious services and a growing atheism.


Excuse me? You equate dwindling church attendance and aethism with 'the culture of death'?? That is an outrageous statement.

no, check out the link i gave. i said that's a sign of europe losing its soul, its moral compass. the culture of death is about losing respect for human life -- abortions, contraception, etc.

Do you honestly feel the 'moral compass' of Americans is better than anywhere else? This boggles my mind.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:50 AM
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musicasacra
Jan 23 2006, 09:35 AM
the culture of death is pervasive everywhere.  attention has been given to europe (and other places) because of the dwindling attendance at religious services and a growing atheism.


Excuse me? You equate dwindling church attendance and aethism with 'the culture of death'?? That is an outrageous statement.

no, check out the link i gave. i said that's a sign of europe losing its soul, its moral compass. the culture of death is about losing respect for human life -- abortions, contraception, etc.

Do you honestly feel the 'moral compass' of Americans is better than anywhere else? This boggles my mind.

i won't get into a moral compass contest between europe and america -- neither is good. and JP cited both europe and america for pervasive culture of death. i agree.
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Well if JP said it that's good enough for me, you can understand my mistake though; it was that whole 'thinking for yourself' buisness, i see now that the real solution to any ethical dilemma (or indeed any dilemma) is to blindly follow. Yes yes why did this not dawn on me before? Fsking atheists must have poisened me, you know they produce evilness at a rate of 10 evils a second? No freaking wonder we're so screwed over here. Fsking atheists.
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Jan 23 2006, 11:00 AM
Well if JP said it that's good enough for me, you can understand my mistake though; it was that whole 'thinking for yourself' buisness, i see now that the real solution to any ethical dilemma (or indeed any dilemma) is to blindly follow. Yes yes why did this not dawn on me before? Fsking atheists must have poisened me, you know they produce evilness at a rate of 10 evils a second, no freaking wonder we're so screwed over here. Fsking atheists.

oh, i can think for myself. and i wasn't always catholic. i had an intellectual and spiritual conversion.
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What were you before your conversion?
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Jan 23 2006, 11:07 AM
What were you before your conversion?

missouri-synod lutheran
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Not a very far leap.

That is what my wife is.

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Jan 23 2006, 11:09 AM
Not a very far leap.

That is what my wife is.

it's not far considering the range of other faiths and churches. but if that's what you grow up with, it still feels like a leap. john henry newman described conversion as a death bed experience.
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I was raised Catholic.

I still prefer a Catholic mass over a Protestant mass.

Not that I attend mass or anything. :whome:

The Protestant mass seems "amateurish" compared to the "real thing". ;)
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Jan 23 2006, 08:27 AM
My concern would be that by making it illegal, you are going to see more back alley abortions. Seems to me just saying something is illegal is like putting your head in the sand. Very backwards step, I think.

Probably not.

Backalley implies surgical intervention. In reality, those MDs who don't agree with the SD law will just prescribe a BCP cocktail, and nobody's going to beat them over the head for it. That pretty much takes care of the "I can't believe I got that drunk!' crowd.

As a pregnancy progresses, the choice has been made, the die has been cast. If the baby is too much a burden on the young lady's life, she can do what young mothers have done in the past - let someone who wants the child adopt it.
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Jan 23 2006, 11:15 AM
I was raised Catholic.

I still prefer a Catholic mass over a Protestant mass.

Not that I attend mass or anything. :whome:

The Protestant mass seems "amateurish" compared to the "real thing". ;)

my brother-in-law, who was raised catholic married my lutheran sister and attends church with her. he calls the missouri synod "catholic light" and the elca "lutheran light." :lol:
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The left has gone completely overboard on the abortion issue and it is comming back to haunt them big time. Can't say I disagree with the new law.

Abortion on demand for no good medical reason should be illegal.

Societal consequences be damned. This is a human life we are talking about.

An innocent human life.

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As a pregnancy progresses, the choice has been made, the die has been cast. If the baby is too much a burden on the young lady's life, she can do what young mothers have done in the past - let someone who wants the child adopt it.


Or she can come to a sensible part of the world where they don't equate bunches of cells with people, that would work too.
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Don't think Jolly was talking about a "bunches of cells" Moonbat.

I think he meant that as the pregnancy progresses to some point.

What point that is, only Jolly can answer.

I say that when the central nervous system and brain have begun to develop, you have a human being.
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Would you be willing to die to carry a baby to term?

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As a pregnancy progresses, the choice has been made, the die has been cast. If the baby is too much a burden on the young lady's life, she can do what young mothers have done in the past - let someone who wants the child adopt it.


Or she can come to a sensible part of the world where they don't equate bunches of cells with people, that would work too.

25 years ago, what was considered a waste of medical resources (young preemies), are routinely "saved" today.

So I guess what wasn't a baby 25 years ago, has suddenly become one?
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