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Hey A.C. -- How Big Will Their Win Be?
Topic Started: Jan 19 2006, 10:30 PM (801 Views)
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George K
Jan 23 2006, 05:38 PM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 22 2006, 04:16 PM
He was anti-government entitlements, anti-categorical grants, pro-military, pro-market forces, anti-large government programs, anti-taxes, vehemently anti-communist.

He was pro wage-price controls, he was pro government-managed healthcare, he opened doors to Communist nations (China). I don't see how being (even vehemently) anti-communist makes someone a conservative. Wasn't it Kennedy who invaded Cuba? I don't see how being anit-taxes makes someone (inherently) conservative. Wasn't it Kennedy who proposed the largest (up to its time) tax cut?

I don't want to hijack the thread, but that doesn't sound conservative, in the RR sense, at all.

Edit: I guess it all boils down to what one sees as a conservative vs. a liberal, as AC said (Getting back on topic)

Well you did hijack the thread but...

You are right, he was not a conservative in the Reagan sense. He was a consrvative in the sense of the 1960's and 70's.

But then, Reagan wasn't a conservative in the Reagan sense until 1980. After all, he signed the most sweeping pro-abortion bill in the nation when he was Governor of California.

Now, back to the Canadian returns, please.
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OK, so how many is a majority? I am thinking about 170.

And how many are needed in order to be first in line to form the government even if it is a minority government. I assume a gap between 1st and 2nd of 10 seats or so is not adequate to assume the right to form the government.
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Hey Rick, you might have fun with this quiz
Political Quiz
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Jan 23 2006, 05:51 PM
Hey Rick, you might have fun with this quiz
Political Quiz

That was a kick! Of course, I don't understand the issues as a Canadian would (and besides, you people spell funny! :wink: ) but here are my results.

1. Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (100%)
2. Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada, Prime Minister of Canada (89%)
3. Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (73%)
4. Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (42%)

Why am I not surprised the Conservative came out on the bottom of my choices! :rolleyes:
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Your Results:

1. Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (100%)
2. Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada, Prime Minister of Canada (62%)
3. Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (58%)
4. Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (25%)
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Hey I'm an Albertan.....

Your result

1. Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (100%)
2. Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (90%)
3. Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (63%)
4. Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada (Incumbent) (36%)
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My numbers were almost identical to dol's.

It felt different at the polls here today; mainlanders involved. I wonder if there is real concern about the results being so close, they want to make damn sure there are no mistakes. I got barked at for stepping to close to the person in front of me, only one person allowed to vote at a time, and four scrutineers watching very, very closely. I don't remember such intensity last election.

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Just Announced on CBC @ 20:04 MDT : CONSERVATIVE MINORITY GOVERNMENT
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Jan 23 2006, 11:10 PM
Just Announced on CBC @ 20:04 MDT : CONSERVATIVE MINORITY GOVERNMENT

I just saw. Don't rub it in :P

The numbers are close so far, but of course, they haven't gotten very far into counting in the west.

I'm going into mourning. :(
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:o Oh no.
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Jan 23 2006, 07:10 PM
Just Announced on CBC @ 20:04 MDT : CONSERVATIVE MINORITY GOVERNMENT

AC

I gather from your posts a few days ago, this is not the result you would have liked because it will likely lead to a new election in a few months.

Woudl you have preferred a Conservative majority? Or would you have preferred a different partty win?
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Jan 23 2006, 05:51 PM
Hey Rick, you might have fun with this quiz
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I tried Sue's quiz. I don't totally understand all the issues (but that's true here in the US sometimes). Based on these results, should I emigrate to Canada?

1. Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (100%)
2. Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (100%)
3. Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (78%)
4. Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada, Prime Minister of Canada

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how's your french, big al? :biggrin:
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Jan 23 2006, 07:37 PM
AlbertaCrude
Jan 23 2006, 07:10 PM
Just Announced on CBC @ 20:04 MDT :  CONSERVATIVE MINORITY GOVERNMENT

AC

I gather from your posts a few days ago, this is not the result you would have liked because it will likely lead to a new election in a few months.

Woudl you have preferred a Conservative majority? Or would you have preferred a different partty win?

Actually yes. Yes there is the the strong possibility of going to the polls again before the year is out. Given the nature of our parliamentary system I think that at this point in time it is better to have the Conservatives in a minority situation rather than a majority. It will force them to find common ground on policies put aside or even abandon those policies that are clearly divisive or a step backwards.

Certainly the Conservatives will have to prove to all Canadians that they will defend and strengthen the Canada Heath Care Act. This means ensuring adequate federal funding to all the provinces to deliver the universal public health care to all and not fall prey to allowing the privatisation of the health insurance system. Socialist, Conservative or even Quebec sovereigntist- Canadians do not want an elitist private health care insurance system as it is in the USA.

Of course I would have wanted a different party- I voted NDP! (although at the last moment I was very tempted to vote Marxist-Leninist) :yes:

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Jan 24 2006, 12:48 AM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 23 2006, 07:37 PM
AlbertaCrude
Jan 23 2006, 07:10 PM
Just Announced on CBC @ 20:04 MDT :  CONSERVATIVE MINORITY GOVERNMENT

AC

I gather from your posts a few days ago, this is not the result you would have liked because it will likely lead to a new election in a few months.

Woudl you have preferred a Conservative majority? Or would you have preferred a different partty win?

Actually yes. Yes there is the the strong possibility of going to the polls again before the year is out. Given the nature of our parliamentary system I think that at this point in time it is better to have the Conservatives in a minority situation rather than a majority. It will force them to find common ground on policies put aside or even abandon those policies that are clearly divisive or a step backwards.

Certainly the Conservatives will have to prove to all Canadians that they will defend and strengthen the Canada Heath Care Act. This means ensuring adequate federal funding to all the provinces to deliver the universal public health care to all and not fall prey to allowing the privatisation of the health insurance system. Socialist, Conservative or even Quebec sovereigntist- Canadians do not want an elitist private health care insurance system as it is in the USA.

Of course I would have wanted a different party- I voted NDP! (although at the last moment I was very tempted to vote Marxist-Leninist) :yes:

Wait a minute!!! You voted NDP!!?!? I thought you were a Conservative guy?!?! What? No Western Block Party candidate in your riding? ;)

Seriously though, I'm happy to hear you speak so strongly about the need for public healthcare - I was beginning to think we differed totally in political issues, but apparently not. You just have your whole western Canada angst going on (which is understandable!)

I'm actually ok with the results. It's not my dream government. But right now The conservatives are winning or leading in 125 seats, and the liberals in 103. A 22 seat split is a pretty slim minority. And with the NDP holding a win or lead in 29 seats, it clearly shows that Canada isn't ready to take a big leap right - we're just pissed at the Liberals. (The 2004 results were L-135, C-99, N-19) I'm actually rather relieved. But there is NO WAY the conservatives will get anything done. The Liberals had a horrid time getting anything passed, and they had a 36 vote split AND the NDP to work with. The Conservatives are on their own and only have a 22 seat split.

I'm thinking November, AC. How 'bout you?
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Jan 23 2006, 09:12 PM
Wait a minute!!! You voted NDP!!?!? I thought you were a Conservative guy?!?! What? No Western Block Party candidate in your riding? ;)


Actually the Western Bloc party is the Conservative Party. My Conservative incumbent didn't need my vote to win (he won by 4000 plus votes), I just wanted to make sure the Liberal candidate didn't come in second. He didn't, so as far I'm concerned my vote counted.

Hard to say. As Ed Broadbent said tonight on the TV, Canadians will not want to go back to the polls for at least two years. I think he's right. The Conservatives will have to find a way to make this work for at least that long. My hunch is that the Liberal's will help by backing off pending their own leadership review. Ignatieff won his Etobicoke seat and needs some experience. Brian Tobin is waiting in the wings.

Minority governments in any case are hard on politicians but easy on the general public. The boat will not get rocked very hard.
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No, it won't. And for that I am thankful.

I just heard that Martin has resigned as party leader. Thank goodness for small favours. I hope that they choose better this time around.
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On a side note, I was talking about these guys:

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Western Block party – The Western Block party is a western separatist party. It became a registered party Dec. 30, 2005. The party has already written to Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe to offer support for Quebec separatism, and ask for support for western separation. The WBP is right-leaning, and similar in views to another organization, Western Canada Concept. Both groups were founded by Doug Christie. The party supports smaller government, restricted immigration, and personal freedom

The party is running four candidates in this election, one in Alberta, and three in B.C. The leader is Doug Christie.
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I hadn't heard about them until now Dol. They didn't field a candidate in my riding. But any party led by Doug Christie could never get my vote. He gained quite a reputation here in Alberta as the defender of Jim Keegstra and members of the Aryan Nations. He and his party have absolutely no credibilty, nor should they.

You're right, Martin resigned. This will be a very interesting parliament.
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I have just recently heard about the WBP as well, didn't realise when it came to be. But Doug Christie? Could be a different guy, but the Doug Christie I remember caused a big stink about some nude painting in a public building, which he deemed offensive, then he seemed to disappear. Ultra right, very conservative. Not someone I would vote for.

I think we'll be back at the polls in the fall. I think what we saw tonight was an undecided, hesitant population, that is going to want to see what the Conservatives will offer, but are not confident. I am just thankful it's a minority; that was about all I could hope for.

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1. Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (100%)
2. Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (100%)
3. Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada, Prime Minister of Canada (71%)
4. Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (64%)


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