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Hey A.C. -- How Big Will Their Win Be?
Topic Started: Jan 19 2006, 10:30 PM (803 Views)
AlbertaCrude
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I see the Bloc is afraid that a Tory government may render Quebec sovereignists redundant:

Bloc warns against letting 'Calgary' control Quebec's future
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He's sounding a bit desperate, isn't he? Those evil Calgarians, with their hats.

The cbc site is really good; I keep finding interesting links. Like this one; remember tunagate?
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Jan 22 2006, 03:50 PM
He's sounding a bit desperate, isn't he? Those evil Calgarians, with their hats.

The cbc site is really good; I keep finding interesting links. Like this one; remember tunagate?
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Oooh - I remember finding the scandal page last year sometime. I was really amused by some of the pathetic shocking events that have passed for scandals in Canada.
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Well, this American, for one, is really interested in seeing how things go tomorrow.

It sounds to me as if the tide may be turning a bit, and the Conservative plurality may not be as large as was thought a week ago -- when I heard everything from 125-140 seats.

Fascinating.
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AlbertaCrude
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Rick just to let you know- The Conservative Party of Canada equals the Joe Leiberman types within the Democrats or the Bull Moose Republicans in the US. I'd hate to see you read into this something that it is not.
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Jan 22 2006, 12:17 PM
Rick just to let you know- The Conservative Party of Canada equals the Joe Leiberman types within the Democrats or the Bull Moose Republicans in the US. I'd hate to see you read into this something that it is not.

Yea, I've picked that up, AC. I have translated them into the type of conservative ideology the GOP had in this country before Ronald Reagan began courting the religious right -- Nelson Rockefeller, Richard Nixon, Dwight Eisenhower, etc. I guess among today's conservatives, I would liken the Canadian Conservatives along the lines of Spector, Pataki or Hagel. Certainly not issue by issue, but more in general political philosophy.

Is that a fair reading?
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Richard Nixon, conservative? Please elaborate.
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Jan 22 2006, 01:12 PM
Richard Nixon, conservative? Please elaborate.

Within the understanding of the terms in the politics of the 1960's-70's, he was definitely conservative when compared to John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey or other Democrats and Liberals who came of age under FDR's New deal.

He was anti-government entitlements, anti-categorical grants, pro-military, pro-market forces, anti-large government programs, anti-taxes, vehemently anti-communist.
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Jan 22 2006, 12:29 PM

Yea, I've picked that up, AC.  I have translated them into the type of conservative ideology the GOP had in this country before Ronald Reagan began courting the religious right -- Nelson Rockefeller, Richard Nixon, Dwight Eisenhower, etc.  I guess among today's conservatives, I would liken the Canadian Conservatives along the lines of Spector, Pataki or Hagel. 

Is that a fair reading?

Eisenhower and Rockefeller is about right, perhaps even Gearld Ford. Definitely Harry S. Truman and Joe Leiberman. I don't know enough about Pataki, Spector or Hagel to comment.
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Just wanted to bump this back up for election eve. No coverage til 7 pm PST tomorrow, could be interesting.
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Jan 22 2006, 09:34 PM
Just wanted to bump this back up for election eve. No coverage til 7 pm PST tomorrow, could be interesting.

Do they limit the disclosure of election returns until the West Coast closes?
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They aren't allowed to show election results in areas where the polls have not closed. So, they can televise results here in Ontario as long as our polls are closed - even if BCs polls are still open.

Unfortunately for me (I don't have cable/satellite etc. and don't get any channels) I was going to rely on the internet for my election stats, and now they aren't allowed to publish the election data online until 10pm EST. Sigh.

This is all new this year, so I went and found an article about it to make sure I had my facts straight:

By law, on election night, Canadian news organizations aren't allowed to publish results to any part of the country in which the polls are still open.

Because CBC.ca is available everywhere, we can't publish results until 10 p.m. EST (7:00 p.m. PST), when the polls close in British Columbia and the Yukon. It also means all live radio streaming for CBC Radio One and Two, normally available 24/7 on CBC.ca, will stop at 7 p.m. EST, when the polls close in Newfoundland and results start to come in, and won't resume until 10 p.m.

This is different than the last federal election. In June 2004, all Canadian media organizations – including CBC.ca – were legally allowed to publish results across the country as soon as they became available. That's because the B.C. Supreme Court, prior to that election, had struck down the results ban.

But in May 2005, the B.C. Court of Appeal reversed the lower court's decision and upheld the ban. A group of news companies, including the CBC, filed a motion earlier this month asking the Supreme Court of Canada to suspend the ban for this election, until an appeal of the reversal could be heard. The court rejected that motion, so the ban stands. The Supreme Court of Canada will probably rule on the appeal before the next federal election.
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It actually feels a bit wierd; not knowing what has gone down in the rest of the country. It's good in a way, because often a decision has been made before our polls are even counted, and that feels very frustrating. But just not telling us doesn't really change anything. I guess the concern is that we in B.C. might change our votes, depending on what has happened back east.

We shall see. Polls are open; it's just after 7 here.

Dol, do you know when the National Student vote be available ?
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I don't know, Sue. I'm sure if I was at school I would know - the teacher who counted the votes on Friday probably knows when they'll be released. I do know that Student Votes was under a HUGE gag order. We aren't having kids count the ballots because if it gets leaked, our school could get in all sorts of trouble. This new law is really being taken seriously. On that note - read this on the cbc this morning:

Friday, Jan. 20, 2006

Prohibited blogging

Blogging on election day is going to be a tricky thing. In this election, unlike the last one, Section 329 of the Canada Elections Act will be in effect, meaning it will be effectively against the law to blog about election results until 10:00 ET, since blogging is considered transmitting "to the public."

Writing e-mail or instant messaging or for that matter talking on the phone about election results is fine, since those aren't public transmissions.

But what if you're blogging election results on your LiveJournal and protecting the posts so that only your LJ friends can read it? How big does your friends list have to be before it's considered transmitting to the public?

Antonia Zerbisias discusses the implications of S. 329 on bloggers: "So let's say that, on Monday night, the Conservatives start sweeping through the Maritime provinces or Newfoundland. Will the Blogging Tories be able to contain their glee and stick to the law before the polls close in B.C.?"

"You have to wonder how Elections Canada is going to be able to monitor this," she writes.

On Small Dead Animals, Kate invites bloggers who plan to write about results to contact her, and various bloggers are discussing the law in the comments for that post.

Some commenters predict that Captain's Quarters, an American blog that has taken interest in Canadian issues before, may be willing to post election results. The Act doesn't apply to websites, or broadcasters, outside of Canada.
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I was wondering about that. (Blogs and other internet use). I really don't see how Elections Canada can police the whole web.
Interesting that they've put a gag order on the Student Votes. What the heck are they worried about?
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Jan 23 2006, 02:27 PM
I was wondering about that. (Blogs and other internet use). I really don't see how Elections Canada can police the whole web.
Interesting that they've put a gag order on the Student Votes. What the heck are they worried about?

Believe it or not, that the Student Vote numbers, if released early, would influence people. It seems that there's a frighteningly high number of people who get satisfaction out of voting for the "winner". So they are worried if people get a glimpse at who is in the lead, that they will vote for the winner just so they can feel good about their choice. :blink:
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Hmm, yeah I can see that. Being part of the winning team, and all that. :blink:
Kind of cool that they feel the opinions of a bunch of kids could influence the adult voters. I like that.
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OK, it's almost 5:30 here on the West Coast.

Any preliminary indications?
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Jan 23 2006, 09:24 PM
OK, it's almost 5:30 here on the West Coast.

Any preliminary indications?

We need someone on the east coast. We're all stuck under the publication ban. I've been trying to find an international site that is publishing results, but it's been sketchy. So far it looks like Atlantic Canada is: 22 Lib 7 Con 3 NDP - but they're always expected to go Liberal. It looks like this election may actually be decided in Alberta and BC, where it's expected they'll go largly Conservative :darthno:
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Ok - new update (good 'ol bloggers) L 20 C 9 N 3
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Jan 23 2006, 05:29 PM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 23 2006, 09:24 PM
OK, it's almost 5:30 here on the West Coast.

Any preliminary indications?

We need someone on the east coast. We're all stuck under the publication ban. I've been trying to find an international site that is publishing results, but it's been sketchy. So far it looks like Atlantic Canada is: 22 Lib 7 Con 3 NDP - but they're always expected to go Liberal. It looks like this election may actually be decided in Alberta and BC, where it's expected they'll go largly Conservative :darthno:

:darthno: Although I think you're right. I've been looking too, not much info to be found. Your polls must be done though, right?
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Jan 23 2006, 09:32 PM
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Jan 23 2006, 05:29 PM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 23 2006, 09:24 PM
OK, it's almost 5:30 here on the West Coast.

Any preliminary indications?

We need someone on the east coast. We're all stuck under the publication ban. I've been trying to find an international site that is publishing results, but it's been sketchy. So far it looks like Atlantic Canada is: 22 Lib 7 Con 3 NDP - but they're always expected to go Liberal. It looks like this election may actually be decided in Alberta and BC, where it's expected they'll go largly Conservative :darthno:

:darthno: Although I think you're right. I've been looking too, not much info to be found. Your polls must be done though, right?

they don't close til 9:30. I'll start updated here as soon as I can find a radio station doing a live feed.
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Jan 23 2006, 05:33 PM
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Jan 23 2006, 09:32 PM
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Jan 23 2006, 05:29 PM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 23 2006, 09:24 PM
OK, it's almost 5:30 here on the West Coast.

Any preliminary indications?

We need someone on the east coast. We're all stuck under the publication ban. I've been trying to find an international site that is publishing results, but it's been sketchy. So far it looks like Atlantic Canada is: 22 Lib 7 Con 3 NDP - but they're always expected to go Liberal. It looks like this election may actually be decided in Alberta and BC, where it's expected they'll go largly Conservative :darthno:

:darthno: Although I think you're right. I've been looking too, not much info to be found. Your polls must be done though, right?

they don't close til 9:30. I'll start updated here as soon as I can find a radio station doing a live feed.

Oh. Ours close at 7, so I had assumed it was the same across the country. Cool.
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Rick Zimmer
Jan 22 2006, 04:16 PM
He was anti-government entitlements, anti-categorical grants, pro-military, pro-market forces, anti-large government programs, anti-taxes, vehemently anti-communist.

He was pro wage-price controls, he was pro government-managed healthcare, he opened doors to Communist nations (China). I don't see how being (even vehemently) anti-communist makes someone a conservative. Wasn't it Kennedy who invaded Cuba? I don't see how being anit-taxes makes someone (inherently) conservative. Wasn't it Kennedy who proposed the largest (up to its time) tax cut?

I don't want to hijack the thread, but that doesn't sound conservative, in the RR sense, at all.

Edit: I guess it all boils down to what one sees as a conservative vs. a liberal, as AC said (Getting back on topic)
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Jan 23 2006, 09:35 PM
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Jan 23 2006, 05:33 PM
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Jan 23 2006, 09:32 PM
dolmansaxlil
Jan 23 2006, 05:29 PM
Rick Zimmer
Jan 23 2006, 09:24 PM
OK, it's almost 5:30 here on the West Coast.

Any preliminary indications?

We need someone on the east coast. We're all stuck under the publication ban. I've been trying to find an international site that is publishing results, but it's been sketchy. So far it looks like Atlantic Canada is: 22 Lib 7 Con 3 NDP - but they're always expected to go Liberal. It looks like this election may actually be decided in Alberta and BC, where it's expected they'll go largly Conservative :darthno:

:darthno: Although I think you're right. I've been looking too, not much info to be found. Your polls must be done though, right?

they don't close til 9:30. I'll start updated here as soon as I can find a radio station doing a live feed.

Oh. Ours close at 7, so I had assumed it was the same across the country. Cool.

No - they decided to stagger the poll close times because of the gag order. So the Maritimes closed really late, and BC is closing relatively early. The middle is staggered.
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