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Is the Day Laborer Center good or bad?
GOOD THING 6 (46.2%)
BAD THING 7 (53.8%)
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Good or Bad Idea?; Home Depot and Immigration
Topic Started: Jan 12 2006, 06:45 AM (683 Views)
kenny
HOLY CARP!!!
A new Home Depot is opening today in Burbank California.
Also opening next door is a new “Day Laborer Center”, I'll call it DLC.

The DLC is to provide a safe and sanitary place for the day laborers to wait for work from people exiting Home Depot.
(At my local Home Depot they wait in an undeveloped field across the street where there are no toilet facilities.)
The DLC is run by Catholic charities.

Anti-immigrant groups are going to be protesting the DLC today.
They say that day laborers are here illegally and the DLC just encourages criminal behavior.
They are worried that this may be the beginning of a trend.
They say illegal immigrants are already too accepted and assimilated.

Police are anticipating unrest, and are standing by.

Is the DLC a good or a bad idea?
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JBryan
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I am the grey one
Would it not be more accurate to describe these groups as "anti-illegal-immigration"? I mean, I am not in favor of people breaking the law but I am not "anti-immigration". After all, my wife is an immigrant.
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kenny
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Yes it would be.
Actually very few of us are decendents of the first humans on this land.
Even they were origianally immigrants.
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Kenny,

How do they know whether those waiting in the DLC are legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, or bona fide American citizens?

May be the local people there have a good way of telling, but it intrigues me as a person from out of state. Thanks.
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kenny
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Ax, clearly assumptions are being made that these are illegal aliens
I'd suspect it is 90+% accurate.

Is this phenomenon exclusive to Southern California?

Anyone outside Southern California care to tell us what state they are in, and that there are NO day laborers leaning against the trees and waving and smiling at you as you exit their Home Depot?

Here they are ubiquitous.
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Thanks Kenny. I don't think I've seen this phenomenon over here in the North East.
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apple
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we have legal (TAXED) day laborere operations here.. those are a win win situation. We have a large Mexican population in KC that supports many illegal immigrants.. you can go down to Southwest boulevard with a 20 and pick up an excellent worker for the day which many yucky builders, landscapers and roofers do. bad idea on many levels. We pay an outfit 12 bucks an hour.. All liability, taxation, workman's comp, etc. is covered in the wage to the green card owning worker. We know to tip the good workers and can request them again..altho we cannot legally hire them ourselves for a yr. or so.
it behooves me to behold
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Bad thing. There's better ways.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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sue
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HOLY CARP!!!
kenny
Jan 12 2006, 07:17 AM
Ax, clearly assumptions are being made that these are illegal aliens
I'd suspect it is 90+% accurate.

Is this phenomenon exclusive to Southern California?

Anyone outside Southern California care to tell us what state they are in, and that there are NO day laborers leaning against the trees and waving and smiling at you as you exit their Home Depot?

Here they are ubiquitous.

Help me out here. I really don't understand the situation. :shrug:
Why do they wait outside the Home Depot?
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Aqua Letifer
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Sue, the basic setup is that, early in the morning, "individuals" (although I know full well most of them around here are immigrants, legal or no) crowd around the 7-11, Exxon, Home Depot, or what have you.

Contractors, who know full well these people are here, will drive up, find a group, and ask them if they want work for that day. They'll negotiate a price, and if an agreement can be reached, they all pile into the back of the contractor's pickup and drive off.

Home Depot is a great location for this, for obvious reasons.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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kenny
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It is not just contractors who pick them up.
Private individuals pick them up too.

We also see them hanging around U-Haul businesses.
They are hoping you will hire them to help you move.

THey are paid cash under the table.
No names or SSNs or insurance or records are kept.
It is an underground economy that does not contribute to the tax base.

It is actually kind of risky.
If I hire one and he is injured on my property I can be sued - if he is that savy, and ballsy.
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AlbertaCrude
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sue
Jan 12 2006, 08:21 AM
Why do they wait outside the Home Depot?

In Canada, day labourers congregate outside a local Human Resources and Employment Canada office.
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sue
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Oh, ok I get it. Thanks. :wave:

There's a Starbucks across the street from my local H.D. :rolleyes:

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Larry
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It is an underground economy that does not contribute to the tax base.


Evidence that the income tax system is out of date and needs to be replaced with a national sales tax.
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Aqua Letifer
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THey are paid cash under the table.
No names or SSNs or insuracnce or records are kept.
It is an underground economy that does not contribute to the tax base.


And that's the only problem I have with it, Kenny. I mean, pulling the immigrant card, when my great-grandfolk were immigrants, sure it was hard as hell, but they found proper jobs and worked within the system.

These folks are mooching off the system, so to speak. It'd do both them and us a world of good to get them involved somehow. Heck, make tay laboring legal somehow and I'd be all for it. But living off of money under the table isn't right.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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AlbertaCrude
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kenny
Jan 12 2006, 08:34 AM
It is actually kind of risky.
If I hire one and he is injured on my property I can be sued - if he is that savy, and ballsy.

If the individual is working in the US illegally, just make sure that the injury is such that he or she can't make a Statement of Claim. There are individual consultants and others who, for a modest fee, will ensure things are taken care of with your best interests in mind- if you catch my drift. After all, you wouldn't want to be flagged by the Immigration authorities and IRS for employing illegal aliens.
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kenny
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AlbertaCrude
Jan 12 2006, 08:46 AM
kenny
Jan 12 2006, 08:34 AM
It is actually kind of risky.
If I hire one and he is injured on my property I can be sued - if he is that savy, and ballsy.

If the individual is working in the US illegally, just make sure that the injury is such that he or she can't make a Statement of Claim. There are individual consultants and others who, for a modest fee, will ensure things are taken care of in your best interests. After all, you wouldn't want to be flagged by the Immigartion and IRS for employing illegal aliens.

You mean like a Guido guy breaking thumbs? :eek:
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AlbertaCrude
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Yeah but I was thiking more like a Winston Wolf type. Somebody who fixes things. Remember the character Harvey Keitel played in Pulp Fiction?
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Mark
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Larry
Jan 12 2006, 08:40 AM
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It is an underground economy that does not contribute to the tax base.


Evidence that the income tax system is out of date and needs to be replaced with a national sales tax.

Larry,

You are my new best friend! :cool:

Welcome aboard!

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JoyceB
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AlbertaCrude,Jan 12 2006
08:46 AM
kenny,Jan 12 2006
08:34 AM
There are individual consultants and others who, for a modest fee, will ensure things are taken care of with your best interests in mind- if you catch my drift.

We have a few of those consultants in my neighborhood. Some of them also "work" in the consumer credit industry. They were part of another immigrant wave.
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tcmod
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Concerning the private individual...how does asking a group of illegals to do some yard work and get paid any different from paying the kid down the street to mow the yard? Seems like a good deal to me.
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AlbertaCrude
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While the kid down the block is not liable to pay tax on the pocket money pittance he or she receives for cutting your lawn or shovelling your sidewalk, on completion of the task he or she does go home to tax paying parents who are presumably legal residents and take full responsibility for the welfare of their child. That is the difference.
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kenny
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Also Jonnie down the block probably doesn't have his children in your public school.

But I'd imagine if Jonny got hurt you would be just as liable.
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AlbertaCrude
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And it would harder and more expensive to find a Mr. Fix-it to look after your best interests.
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
kenny
Jan 12 2006, 08:49 AM
AlbertaCrude
Jan 12 2006, 08:46 AM
kenny
Jan 12 2006, 08:34 AM
It is actually kind of risky.
If I hire one and he is injured on my property I can be sued - if he is that savy, and ballsy.

If the individual is working in the US illegally, just make sure that the injury is such that he or she can't make a Statement of Claim. There are individual consultants and others who, for a modest fee, will ensure things are taken care of in your best interests. After all, you wouldn't want to be flagged by the Immigartion and IRS for employing illegal aliens.

You mean like a Guido guy breaking thumbs? :eek:

Or just pop a cap in his ear.
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