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Pollock update - part 2.; ...what say you?
Topic Started: Dec 5 2005, 09:36 AM (703 Views)
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Ok, below are some that I found online, including the painting I posted recently.

If you have taken art classes or know art history, please don't give away those works that are "famous". I tried to make them all about the same size so it would be equal.

I'll number them for your reference, and please tell me your thoughts. Tell me which ones were made by famous people who were paid millions of dollars for their work and which ones were made by complete amateurs who got paid nothing:

1) Posted Image

2) Posted Image

3) Posted Image

4) Posted Image

5) Posted Image

6) Posted Image

7) Posted Image

8) Posted Image

9) Posted Image

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kenny
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No clue.
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I think No. 6 is 'my breakfast' by Private Baldrick. No's two and nine appear to be a video game, no. 4 is the wall of my spare room - how did you get it?

This sounds like a cop-out, but I don't like of any of them.
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kenny
Dec 5 2005, 12:38 PM
No clue.

Nor do I. I'm not very well-schooled in abstract/modern art.

Number 5 looks like a pile of fall leaves against a house, with bird dookie on one of the windows. I like it, though ^_^

But that doesn't mean I'd be willing to pay you any sum of money if it's one of your creations, 89th!
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Dec 5 2005, 12:46 PM
But that doesn't mean I'd be willing to pay you any sum of money if it's one of your creations, 89th!

Damn!! And online text-based contracts are binding in Maryland and New Jersey! :P

I could have taken you for MILLIONS! (evil laugh)
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If I had to guess I'd say that #7 is the only one created by a supposed master, and that the "master" would be Rothko. Or maybe not. Who knows? And if you have to know the name on the placard next to the art to know whether it's art or not, what's the point? FWIW, even if I had gazillions of dollars available, I wouln't spend any of it on any of these, regardless of the creator(s).
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What the hell is the deal with number 4?!?!

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I like no. 6, but not for large sums of money. No.5 is ok, just because the colours are lively and fun.

I'm going to guess that 1 and 3 are 'real' works, that sold for lots of $, because to me they are so outrageous that I think that's why you planted them there. :cool: No.4 I suspect is also 'real'.
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Interesting comments so far... :D
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5) and 7) Looks like the could be Franz Kline.

Actually, 5) also has some Hockney feel to it.
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If this sort of thing interests you, you might read Tom Wolfe's "The Painted Word". Its the secret decoder ring for abstract expressionism, action painting, etc.
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It doesn't really interest me. I personally think that all art should be subjective, and judged on a case-by-case scenario.

I think that a piece of art, like pollocks work, can be liked and disliked...it's someone's opinion. Always thought that.

I am doing this experiment however, to debunk the many times I hear about how "abstract expressionism" is so hard, and you have to have so much talent to do it, when really...stuff like pollock's work, isn't anything you or I or others could do. Give us the supplies, the time to paint it, and a 30 second explanation of how to do a certain technique and anyone here could create something worth millions. It's all reputation, which is bullcarp, if you ask me.

It's interesting to see the responses in here though...evidence exhibit A in support of my theory, if you ask me. ;)

I do see we have some art buffs (or people who have actually studied art) here though... :)
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89th -- the value is not in that no one else can do it, but in the historical contingency that these artists were the first to do it.

A hat that Abraham Lincoln wore is not intrinsically any more valuable than a NY Yankees cap found in a rubbish bin. It is assigned value based on extrinsic things.

So, no -- you cannot do the same thing and produce a painting worth millions. If you were around in 1948, then maybe...
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I don't care who was the first to splatter paint on canvas and call it art...it's not worth millions.
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Dec 5 2005, 12:48 PM
I don't care who was the first to splatter paint on canvas and call it art...it's not worth millions.

It *is* if someone is willing to pay millions.

Things are monetarily worth what someone is willing to pay for it. They are willing to pay that because of the historical, aesthetic, cultural, and other contingencies that are intrinsic to a particular painting. You don't share in the appreciation of those things, so you would not pay that sort of money.
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Dec 5 2005, 02:48 PM
I don't care who was the first to splatter paint on canvas and call it art...it's not worth millions.

A fifty dollar bill isn't worth fifty dollars, then? It's just a piece of paper.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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It is the obverse of the argument that people complain that they are not paid enough. If they have skills that people demand, they will be paid at market value. It is always supply and demand... That is why dead painters are worth more, the supply is now limited. .
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ivorythumper
Dec 5 2005, 07:52 PM
It *is* if someone is willing to pay millions.

Well, yes, but they are idiots so we don't include them

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Dec 5 2005, 12:54 PM
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Dec 5 2005, 02:48 PM
I don't care who was the first to splatter paint on canvas and call it art...it's not worth millions.

A fifty dollar bill isn't worth fifty dollars, then? It's just a piece of paper.

No, it's not John. Just send me those worthless 50s and I'll dispose of them for you.
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Dec 5 2005, 11:54 AM

A fifty dollar bill isn't worth fifty dollars, then? It's just a piece of paper.

It is worth 5 lap dances.
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Dec 5 2005, 12:54 PM
ivorythumper
Dec 5 2005, 07:52 PM
It *is* if someone is willing to pay millions.

Well, yes, but they are idiots so we don't include them

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Maybe, but they are *rich* idiots.
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Dec 5 2005, 07:55 PM
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Dec 5 2005, 11:54 AM

A fifty dollar bill isn't worth fifty dollars, then? It's just a piece of paper.

It is worth 5 lap dances.

Trust you, tc!

:rolleyes:

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Dec 5 2005, 02:54 PM
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Dec 5 2005, 07:52 PM
It *is* if someone is willing to pay millions.

Well, yes, but they are idiots so we don't include them

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Are they idiots if they buy a painting for 1 million, and sell it 10 years later for 100 million?

People are willing to pay 50 dollars for a bill, only because they know they can palm it off on some other poor fool for the same amount. Art is often a great investment.
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Dec 5 2005, 07:56 PM
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Dec 5 2005, 12:54 PM
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Dec 5 2005, 07:52 PM
It *is* if someone is willing to pay millions.

Well, yes, but they are idiots so we don't include them

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Maybe, but they are *rich* idiots.

With more money than sense usually.

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Dec 5 2005, 12:55 PM
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A fifty dollar bill isn't worth fifty dollars, then? It's just a piece of paper.

It is worth 5 lap dances.

The new economy according to TC.

You should have been appointed to replace Greenspan.

:lol:
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