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Just in case the Right has forgotten; Why we are in Iraq
Topic Started: Nov 3 2005, 09:58 AM (929 Views)
kenny
HOLY CARP!!!
Sorry I shouldn't single out the SUVers, especially the few with a true daily need for a moving building.

Anyone with a car shares the responsibility, including me.
Even if you don't drive you buy food and goods that take energy to make and deliver.
We all contribute to the appetite or energy.

I think our leaders are responsible to keep the American machine going.
That takes energy.

But I find it very ominous that Energy Policy has been elevated to a national security issue and is now worked out behind closed doors.

I do feel very strongly that this is ultimately a war for oil.
We installed a more pro-American government than the last one because Iraq has oil.


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JBryan
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You're right, kenny. Shouldn't single out the SUVers. I drive a 320 HP car and I put the hammer down a lot. I sleep like a baby.
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kenny
Nov 3 2005, 10:43 PM
I do feel very strongly that this is ultimately a war for oil.
We installed a more pro-American government than the last one because Iraq has oil.

Then why don't we install a pro-oil government here, and drill our own? All of this talk about Iraq and oil. For crying out loud, we get very little oil from the middle east! The US gets it's oil from Mexico and Venezuela. Yet we're not exactly going into Venezuela and taking over, are we? Why not? Because Saddam was a threat to his people, his region, and us. For crying out lod, we know he was planning terrorist attacks against the US after 9/11 and before the war. This comes to us straight from Putin, not exactly our greatest ally. Should we have waited for another 5,000 dead?!

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AlbertaCrude
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Nov 4 2005, 07:22 AM
The US gets it's oil from Mexico and Venezuela. Yet we're not exactly going into Venezuela and taking over, are we?

Pardon me LD, but the the leading source of US oil imports does not originate from either of those 2 countries. Nor does it originate in the Middle East or the FSU. The supply does however come from the out of country production of which US multinational oil companies are either major or controlling shareholders. So the produced oil is the legal property of of US interests before it even crosses into the USA.

For the record, the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, does allege that the US government is trying to take over his country. Whether this fantastic allegation is based on fact is entirely another matter.
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JBryan
Nov 3 2005, 07:14 PM
You're right, kenny. Shouldn't single out the SUVers. I drive a 320 HP car and I put the hammer down a lot. I sleep like a baby.

For someone that looks uncannily like a 62 year old baby.....i believe you JB. :wink:
Night night. :smooch:
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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AlbertaCrude
Nov 4 2005, 07:49 AM
Luke's Dad
Nov 4 2005, 07:22 AM
The US gets it's oil from Mexico and Venezuela. Yet we're not exactly going into Venezuela and taking over, are we?

Pardon me LD, but the the leading source of US oil imports does not originate from either of those 2 countries. Nor does it originate in the Middle East or the FSU. The supply does however come from the out of country production of which US multinational oil companies are either major or controlling shareholders. So the produced oil is the legal property of of US interests before it even crosses into the USA.

For the record, the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, does allege that the US government is trying to take over his country. Whether this fantastic allegation is based on fact is entirely another matter.

TSSSSSSS! that's gotta burn LD. Information pain smarts when you make it up LD. :smooch:
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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Nov 4 2005, 08:49 AM
For the record, the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, does allege that the US government is trying to take over his country. Whether this fantastic allegation is based on fact is entirely another matter.

Well, there was that little Saturday coup that over threw him early in the Bush regime; the one which within two hours of occuring, Condi Rice hailed as a great victory; the only international leader to make such a statement -- only to have to eat her words two days later when he was reinstated because of the massive outcry of the Venezuelan people.
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Wacki Iraqi
Nov 4 2005, 12:35 PM
AlbertaCrude
Nov 4 2005, 07:49 AM
Luke's Dad
Nov 4 2005, 07:22 AM
The US gets it's oil from Mexico and Venezuela. Yet we're not exactly going into Venezuela and taking over, are we?

Pardon me LD, but the the leading source of US oil imports does not originate from either of those 2 countries. Nor does it originate in the Middle East or the FSU. The supply does however come from the out of country production of which US multinational oil companies are either major or controlling shareholders. So the produced oil is the legal property of of US interests before it even crosses into the USA.

For the record, the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, does allege that the US government is trying to take over his country. Whether this fantastic allegation is based on fact is entirely another matter.

TSSSSSSS! that's gotta burn LD. Information pain smarts when you make it up LD. :smooch:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html

Oh, AC's just ticked cause I forgot Canada in the mix! :biggrin:
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Wacki Iraqi
Nov 4 2005, 08:35 AM
AlbertaCrude
Nov 4 2005, 07:49 AM
Luke's Dad
Nov 4 2005, 07:22 AM
The US gets it's oil from Mexico and Venezuela. Yet we're not exactly going into Venezuela and taking over, are we?

Pardon me LD, but the the leading source of US oil imports does not originate from either of those 2 countries. Nor does it originate in the Middle East or the FSU. The supply does however come from the out of country production of which US multinational oil companies are either major or controlling shareholders. So the produced oil is the legal property of of US interests before it even crosses into the USA.

For the record, the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, does allege that the US government is trying to take over his country. Whether this fantastic allegation is based on fact is entirely another matter.

TSSSSSSS! that's gotta burn LD. Information pain smarts when you make it up LD. :smooch:

Do you make any more sense when you're sober?
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