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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 11:30 AM Post #1 |
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CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons Debate Is Growing Within Agency About Legality and Morality of Overseas System Set Up After 9/11 By Dana Priest Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, November 2, 2005; Page A01 The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement. The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?nav=hcmodule I am certain this will be referred to the Justice Department as is standard procedure in all cases where classified material appears in print. On its face it appears to be a clear cut violation of the 1917 Espionage Act. Will there be an investigation? Will Dana Priest be forced to give up his sources? I believe the answer to be only if it has a potential to damage Bush will the MSM be screaming for it. After all, their new found high regard for CIA agents will evaporate when it is not in furtherance of bringing down Bush. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 12:03 PM Post #2 |
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I we had had the same level of sorry media in the 40s that we do now, we'd have lost WWII. |
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| The 89th Key | Nov 2 2005, 12:04 PM Post #3 |
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That's right, Larry! |
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| Nina | Nov 2 2005, 01:32 PM Post #4 |
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Senior Carp
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OK, I'm having a brain fugue. What's MSM? |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 2 2005, 01:34 PM Post #5 |
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mainstream media. I mostly see the initials "MSM" used around here. Maybe it's a conservative blog thing, and I don't follow the conservative blogs, but I don't really see it elsewhere all that often. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Nina | Nov 2 2005, 01:36 PM Post #6 |
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So what's MSM, then? Network news? Cable news? Cable news except Fox? including Fox? Print? except NYT? except Washington Post? Anything that isn't a blog or political website? |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 2 2005, 01:36 PM Post #7 |
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By the way, JB, I won't speak for others ... but my respect for CIA officers is reserved for those who are doing their jobs, at grave personal risk, without torturing anyone. My respect goes out the window when we're talking about a CIA officer ordering an uncooperative suspect chained to the floor without clothing overnight, so that he freezes to death. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 2 2005, 01:40 PM Post #8 |
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Anything that doesn't parrot the conservative point of view. Anything that criticizes El Presidente. Seriously, I think it refers to any of the nationally recognized newspapers, TV and cable outlets, and even websites like CNN. Fox qualifies. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| The 89th Key | Nov 2 2005, 01:42 PM Post #9 |
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Everything except talk radio, basically. We say MSM, because we have to critisize it so often that we need to save precious time! Plus, I don't know how to spell media. Wait, I just did. |
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| Phlebas | Nov 2 2005, 01:45 PM Post #10 |
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Bull-Carp
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Nah, you just have trouble with the plural sometimes. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| apple | Nov 2 2005, 01:46 PM Post #11 |
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i was thinking it was a new station. |
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| The 89th Key | Nov 2 2005, 01:50 PM Post #12 |
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This means wars!
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 08:58 PM Post #13 |
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No outrage over a CIA outing? Why am I not surprised? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 2 2005, 10:31 PM Post #14 |
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Explain, please. I don't remember seeing the names of agents in that article, but I wasn't reading it with that in mind. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Nov 3 2005, 06:14 AM Post #15 |
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Perhaps my use of the term "outing" was misleading but revealing this operation has the potential of harming agents and methods directly and indirectly, by depriving us of the intelligence that those methods might provide, placing lives in danger. The very existence of this operation was highly classified and I would think that at least as much outrage over the leaking of an inconsequential piece of classified information as the place of employment of Valerie Plame should be expressed over this potentially far more damaging leak. I am not holding my breath, however. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 3 2005, 06:23 AM Post #16 |
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I see it as entirely a different kettle of fish. If our government is doing immoral (and possibly illegal) things in secret, it's the responsibility of the press to shine a light on that. That's a very different thing from placing a particular agent (or agents, if you include her contacts) in harm's way by revealing her identity. I think it's important to remember that, while the Post talked about the practice of these secret detention facilities, it did not, at the request of the Bush Administration, publish the names of the Eastern European countries in which those facilities exist. The Bush Administration argued to the Post that even saying which Eastern European countries were involved could put agents in danger, and the Post respected that. Which, again, is more respect than the agents themselves gave to the guy they chained to the floor naked overnight, only to have him freeze to death. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Nov 3 2005, 06:37 AM Post #17 |
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I have no problem with revealing abuses as they have occured but this article seems to presume that the existence of these bases in and of itself is an abuse. Aside from the guy that was chained to the floor (which has been known for quite some time) the only reference to abuses seems to be in potential terms and, frankly, as a transparent attempt to justify this leak. I suppose we should be grateful that the locations were not given (too bad that was not the case with the installation in Thailand) but I would feel a whole lot better had our enemies not known that there was such an operation rather than now being tasked with simply locating it. All that being said, there was no justification for revealing this operation and someone with or once with the CIA should pay dearly. Fat chance that anyone in the media will have as much appetite for that as for getting to the bottom of a leak of information that was classified in the same sense that the location of the men's room at the Langley facility is classified. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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