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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 02:06 PM Post #51 |
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why is it that conservatives are always "staunch"? don't liberals have backbo... err, never mind. |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 02:07 PM Post #52 |
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Kathy writes: Yes, JB. I know that that is the spin. But ask yourself this: Again, you are politically delusional. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. |
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| Jack Frost | Nov 2 2005, 02:09 PM Post #53 |
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The fact remains that Libby was concerned enough about what he had done to lie about it under oath; the reasonable inference is that he lied to protect Cheney becuase he believed that Cheney had done something wrong. jf |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 02:13 PM Post #54 |
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Kathy, What was newsworthy, at least from the point of view of the adminstration, was the fact that Joe Wilson was lying about who sent him to Niger. It is up to them to get the truth out to the media. The missing piece of that story is why would the CIA send Joe Wilson to Niger? The answer is that his wife works for the CIA. Why is that so difficult for you to follow? As far as your second statement I don't care how bright or qualified someone is who is working for me. If they are not on board with what I am doing and are working counter to it they are history. Again, why is that so hard to understand? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 02:17 PM Post #55 |
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Excuse me, but the man has been accused of lying. It has yet to be shown that he actually did. You're a lawyer, you should know that the man is innocent until proven guilty, and a grand jury indictment can in no way be taken as a sign of guilt. You should also know that once all the facts come out in trial, it is very possible that the charges are proven to be untrue. |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 02:18 PM Post #56 |
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That is speculation. it is just as reasonable (actually, more reasonable) to suppose that he lied because he had revealed classified information and knew that was wrong. Lying about it did nothing to protect Cheney. He could easily have told the grand jury that Cheney was his source and still be on the hook for revealing classified information and Cheney would not be on the hook for anything (as he is not). This, of course, assumes that he did lie. A fact that has yet to be established in a court of law. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 02:41 PM Post #57 |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 02:42 PM Post #58 |
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We really don't know whether Libby "lied under oath", do we? That is the allegation, but it has yet to be admitted, proven or even adjudicated. So your "reasonable inference" is rather ahead of the facts, and it is not even the only "reasonable inference". The case seems based on what Libby did or did not say to members of the media -- and his subsequent recounting of these conversations to the FBI agents. Possible disparities, perhaps. Intent to perjure and obstruct justice? I don't see it. It is more "he said -- she said". It seems a massive leap to conclude that this must be because he was was protecting Cheney. |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 02:43 PM Post #59 |
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Okay, okay we got it.
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 02:45 PM Post #60 |
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I was running errands while you and Larry were writing my position paper. Thanks, guys. |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 05:16 PM Post #61 |
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Well, that's probably one of the more intelligent remarks I've heard coming from a conservative on this thread. Good question. Here's a very subjective answer. When I think of the word "staunch," I immediately think of my Aunt Elsie. She's a diehard conservative. As anti-choice, pro-Bush, Republican party liner as you'd ever choose to meet. And I never, never, ever talk politics with her. Because, from the moment she thinks she's got an opponent, her hands are on her hips, her brow is furrowed, her voice has raised at least two pitches, and she will not stop until you've given in or -- you've both retreated so angry you won't be speaking to each other for at least a year. I haven't seen liberals replicate that behavior. Maybe I just travel in the right circles. ![]() PS to IT: Did you ever apologize to Lucy? |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 05:39 PM Post #62 |
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No apologies were necessary. Thanks for asking. |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 05:41 PM Post #63 |
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Staunch has NOTHING to do with your description of your dear aunt. It means, simply: "6. Of a person: Standing firm and true to one's principles or purpose, not to be turned aside, determined.". Which only raises the question as to why liberals lack the conditions to be "staunch" -- is it the lack of principles or the lack of resolve to follow their principles? |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 2 2005, 06:01 PM Post #64 |
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Roosevelt. Lots of backbone. More than the entire opposition at the time. |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 06:14 PM Post #65 |
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Nope - sorry, IT. Staunch and stalwart have both morphed into conservative descriptors, MW definitions notwithstanding, and not terribly flattering, I might add. Interesting how the English language evolves; ooo - but you don't believe in that, do you - well, never mind. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 2 2005, 06:28 PM Post #66 |
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Yes, but other words are rather associated with particular parties. Brain-dead, is commonly used to describe liberals Nut-job, on the other hand, is much more commonly applied to conservatives. So, which is preferable, brain-dead or nut-job? As a mostly irrelevent aside, before coming to the US, I'd honestly never heard the word 'liberal' used as in an insulting way, in fact, quite the contrary, it was commonly used to describe someone who was broad-minded and free-thinking. In the UK 'Tory' was often used in an insulting way, or 'socialist', or 'dick-head', or even 'Tory dick-head', but liberal, never. Of course, in England, Tory Dick-head is a somewhat redundant term, but I digress. |
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| Jack Frost | Nov 2 2005, 06:38 PM Post #67 |
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Did you ever say the same about Bill Clinton? Since he was never convicted of anything I guess he is pure and innocent. jf |
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| Jack Frost | Nov 2 2005, 06:40 PM Post #68 |
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It's pretty clear he lied. Fitzgerald has 9 times he discussed Wilson and Plame before the meeting with Russet where HE CLAIMS he first learned about Plame. Safe to say, he lied, under oath, and will either cut a plea or be convicted. The why is, as always, open to debate. jf |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 06:45 PM Post #69 |
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No, it's a new thing here, too, thanks to Karl Rove, I'm sure. I was always rather proud to take that label, and in the past couple years - particulary among this group, I've grown ashamedly, rather shy of affirming the connection. Weird how semantics rule our speech - in't it? It's in the very same vein as the recent Rovian in-your-face challenges to your patriotism because you dare to voice dissent over the Quagmire in Iraq.
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| Jack Frost | Nov 2 2005, 06:46 PM Post #70 |
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The charges will never be proven to be untrue. The best that Libby can hope for in court is that the charges cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is not the same as "proof" they were untrue. Larry, I read your comments in this thread and all I can say is that you are too stupid for words. I don't know how Quirt puts up with you day after day. Look at the polls. You guys are about to be abandonned and left out to dry. The Republicans in power are going to be cutting ties to this administration like you've never seen between now and November 2006. Sinking ship. All offboard! Rich white males in Congress first!!! jf |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 06:48 PM Post #71 |
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Exactly! We all know that OJ is as innocent as the new fallen snow because he wasn't proven guilty, right? |
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| Jack Frost | Nov 2 2005, 06:53 PM Post #72 |
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Right! OJ is innocent! And he is still out there searching day and night to unmask Nicole's killer. Isn't he? jf |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 07:15 PM Post #73 |
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After reading the indictment I have to agree with Jack that it will be a tough row to hoe for his defense counsel to beat the charge. It has been established that he found out about Plame ffrom Dick Cheney and a CIA officer long before his conversations with Cooper and Miller. He was trying to say that he received this information from a source without security clearance (Russert) in order that he could maintain that he did not know it was classified. If Fitzgerald has proof that Libby learned this information from Cheney and the CIA, and I have to assume he does, that blows his cover story. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Nov 2 2005, 07:25 PM Post #74 |
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I knew you were a reaonable fellow! Now we can argue about why he lied, and whether Cheney put him up to it. All points open to debate. jf |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 07:26 PM Post #75 |
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I think you already know my side of that one.
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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