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| JBryan | Nov 1 2005, 07:25 PM Post #26 |
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Thank you, I thought so too. She is really a remarkable woman. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kentcouncil | Nov 1 2005, 07:26 PM Post #27 |
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Was the pic taken on the Xi Hu promenade? |
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It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't. - P.G. Wodehouse | |
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| JBryan | Nov 1 2005, 07:30 PM Post #28 |
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Actually it was the Shaolin Temple. I have some pics of her (and me) there (Xi Hu), however. Another picture of me and her together I have posted at the OCR was taken at Tai Hu. Her family roots are in Wuxi. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Rick Zimmer | Nov 1 2005, 08:52 PM Post #29 |
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Good to see the Democrats drawing the distinctions between the two parties. It is time to set the playing field for next year. Unfortunately, with the way the news media works in this country now, it takes such actions as this for a minority plarty to get the word out. One can tell how well it worked by how angry the GOP was. This should also serve as a reminder to them of what can be done if they choose to eliminate the filibuster to get an extremist, machine gun-loving judge, approved. And if anyone thinks, the Fitzgerald investigation fizzled -- wait for the next shoe to drop. He ain't done by a long shot. |
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| JBryan | Nov 1 2005, 09:10 PM Post #30 |
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Yes, the majority will then vote to open the doors. That'll show 'em.
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 07:47 AM Post #31 |
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This article from Juan Cole written just before Scooter's indictment came down is an excellent synoposis of the whole ball of wax - from the leak to the underlying raison d'etre - the deceptions leading to this preconceived war. All the Vice President's Men Snip: These, [Libby, Wurmser, Hannah, Wolfowitz, et al] then, were the key neocon players gathered around Cheney. Cheney's office was key to the manufacturing of the bogus case for Iraq being close to having a nuclear bomb (it had no nuclear weapons program at all after the mid-1990s) and for it having a biological weapons program on wheels (biological weapons labs require clean rooms and cannot be mounted in Winnebagos). Cheney's office was among the originators of the smears against critics of such allegations, such as Joseph Wilson. Wilson's attack on the integrity of their intelligence gathering deeply threatened them. At the time he began speaking out, no high US government official had dared name their fantasy for what it was - a tissue of innuendo and falsehoods fed to them by the ambitious and swallowed by the greedy and the gullible. That he was connected to the CIA's own unit on weapons proliferation through his wife, Valerie, made him all the more dangerous in their eyes, once Cheney had ferreted out that link. As to your poopooing the notion that this adminstration routinely sets out to destroy detractors, what say you to this (from Reid's piece)? There is also another disturbing pattern here, namely about how the Administration responded to those who challenged its assertions. Time and again this Administration has actively sought to attack and undercut those who dared to raise questions about its preferred course. For example, when General Shinseki indicated several hundred thousand troops would be needed in Iraq, his military career came to an end. When then OMB Director Larry Lindsay suggested the cost of this war would approach $200 billion, his career in the Administration came to an end. When U.N. Chief Weapons Inspector Hans Blix challenged conclusions about Saddam’s WMD capabilities, the Administration pulled out his inspectors. When Nobel Prize winner and IAEA head Mohammed el-Baridei raised questions about the Administration’s claims of Saddam’s nuclear capabilities, the Administration attempted to remove him from his post. When Joe Wilson stated that there was no attempt by Saddam to acquire uranium from Niger, the Administration launched a vicious and coordinated campaign to demean and discredit him, going so far as to expose the fact that his wife worked as a CIA agent. |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 07:57 AM Post #32 |
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This is nothing but Juan Cole's opinion stated as though it was established fact. There is not one shred of proof for any of this. There is nothing to connect these events with the causes given and a multitude of other more likely causes. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 08:12 AM Post #33 |
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You liberals are amazing. Kathy admits she hasn't been following it, doesn't know much about it - something she admits to quite frequently - yet based on what she "thinks" paints a whole scenario. Rick Z is right - this is drawing an identifying line between the democrats and the republicans. It's showing just how ideologically bankrupt the democrat party is, and exactly where the trouble with out government lies. The democrats haven't had one single idea, not one single solution, in years. The past 5 years all they have done is focus on how to do in the republicans, at the risk of our nation's safety. And the partisan lemmings rush out to bang their drum, right on cue. Somethine *will* come of this, though. It's just that when it does, you liberals will refuse to discuss it any more just like you do every time one of your conspiracy theories blows up in your face. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 2 2005, 08:16 AM Post #34 |
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There's quite often two drums. A big red one and a big blue one. They make a right old bloody racket, as well. It's hard to hear oneself think. Of course, maybe that's the idea. |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 09:27 AM Post #35 |
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I admitted no such thing. I said that beyond the initial outing of Plame and Wilson's immediate reaction, I have not followed his writings. Beyond that, to me, they have no real significance in all of this. This is not about Wilson and his politics; it's about: 1) what was done to his wife and 2) the smoldering motivations that led to what was done to his wife which tie in directly with the massive deceptions used to win the public's approval of this war. But like all you good Rovian conservatives, good attempt at deflection. Seems the tactic is losing its effectiveness, but keep trying. |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 09:32 AM Post #36 |
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I bet you didn't read the article. Just chalk it up to his politics - yup, that's all it is. Gimme a break. This article (as is most of what he writes) so steeped with substantiated facts and so devoid of hype, you would be hard pressed to refute what he says beyond your typical wry generalizations - it's liberal, it's gotta be wrong. |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 09:58 AM Post #37 |
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Kathy, I read the article. It is nothing more than a tissue of stitched together supposition, none of which supports any of the claims made above. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 09:59 AM Post #38 |
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I admitted no such thing. I said that beyond the initial outing of Plame and Wilson's immediate reaction, I have not followed his writings.
This entire thing is Wilson's "so called" conspiracy theory. This is not about Wilson and his politics; it's about: 1) what was done to his wife Nothing was done to his wife. There was nothing to do to his wife. She hadn't been covert in 5 years. Something *was* done to the Bush administration however... her liar husband, a partisan political activist, was spreading more lies in an attempt to smear Bush, and they tried to correct the lie. Ever since then you and all the other leftwing nutjobs have been ignoring the facts in front of your face and continually harped about "what was done to his wife". If anything had been "done" to her, someone would have been indicted for it. No one was - and that's why the democrat dumbasses in Congress are making asses out of themselves - again - trying to make up some big conspiracy. That's all they're good at. and 2) the smoldering motivations that led to what was done to his wife which tie in directly with the massive deceptions used to win the public's approval of this war. That's the dumbest thing I've read today. |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 10:01 AM Post #39 |
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Proving once again why the democrats, and particularly the nutjob Left, should never again be allowed in power. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 2 2005, 10:07 AM Post #40 |
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Do I hear drums? It's like a Buddy Rich appreciation convention in here. |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 10:47 AM Post #41 |
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A whole lot more than supposition. Stich enough damning facts together, and by golly, you get an indictment! Honestly, I don't how you people can continue to minimize what has come down the pike so far. (and is inevitably yet to come). Bear in mind, that this is happening at a point in time when the Republicans have unprecedented power and the Dems have been virtually emasculated. The Republican controlled Congress has done everything that they can (which is A LOT) to keep all it all under tabs. That notwithstanding, the truth is percolating out from the squalid muck this adminstration has brewed. Yup, the truth will prevail, but I never thought it would come to fruition while the Bush dynasty was still in power. The fact that is happening now speaks volumes. |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 10:57 AM Post #42 |
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The article has a familiar pattern to it. So and so went to school with such and such whose wife was so and so sprinkled liberally with "PNAC" and therefore we can assume a whole lot of outrageous things. Shadowy connections with no substance to indicate they mean anything. Show me where in this article is direct evidence that Lawrence Lindsay was canned for saying the war would cost more than 200B (he had all sorts of policy differences with the Adminsitration and he did, after all, serve at the pleasure of the guy who makes it) or that Shinseki (who was scheduled to retire) was "moved out" or that the inspectors were pulled out of Iraq because of what Hans Blix said or any of this stuff. All it is is an attempt (feeble at best) to lend credence to Joe Wilson's "they wanted to take revenge on me" goofy conspiracy theory. As if the Administration would expose a CIA agent to take revenge on a dufus like Wilson. He is a bare faced liar for crying out loud. Discrediting him would be child's play and was. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 11:05 AM Post #43 |
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Does this mean that you think he really is not qualified? Were you just being coy before, or disingenuous? |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 2 2005, 11:09 AM Post #44 |
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So why did the Blue suddenly become the Democrats color, when it was traditionally Red? And vice versa? Remember "Lake Reagan"??? I think we have all been duped and intentionally confused. Red is the traditional color of the Left (socialists, marxists, pinkos, etc), and Blue is the traditional color of the Right (even the Union uniforms in the Republican North). What gives? |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 11:23 AM Post #45 |
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Honestly, I don't how you people can continue to minimize what has come down the pike so far. (and is inevitably yet to come). Bear in mind, that this is happening at a point in time when the Republicans have unprecedented power and the Dems have been virtually emasculated. The Republican controlled Congress has done everything that they can (which is A LOT) to keep all it all under tabs. That notwithstanding, the truth is percolating out from the squalid muck this adminstration has brewed. Yup, the truth will prevail, but I never thought it would come to fruition while the Bush dynasty was still in power. The fact that is happening now speaks volumes. Sheer and utter ideologically driven trash. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 2 2005, 11:28 AM Post #46 |
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![]() Why is that? What the colour reversal done for reasons of political correctness? The rhythm may not be the same, but the racket is just as bad whichever drum is being walloped. |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 01:37 PM Post #47 |
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No, he's not assuming anything because PNAC was at the crux of the war. That's just an undeniable fact that helps one understand how our whole country was led like lemmings into this quagmire. Or are you still in denial that there is such a thing? Here's the website: PNAC official site This little blurb is from one of their primary white papers, Rebuiling America's Defenses, dated Sept. 2000. A transformation strategy that solelypursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies. Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. [my emphasis] He's concisely spinning the history, naming the names the key PNAC guys who formed Bush's inner circle, the most obvious being Cheney. So, herald in 9-11 and these guys' dream has come true. They immediately started hatching plans for the invasion of Iraq - the one they tried unsuccessfully to sell to Daddy Bush, and then to Clinton. In fact, the common view up to that point was that there were a bunch of wackos. Well, look who's running the country now! No sir. There's no conspiracy theory. They've been very open about their designs, and the members have been proud if not arrogant in their ideological views. As to Wilson, why the heck else would they've done something as snakey and illegal as leaking his wife's name to the press? Judith Wilson was the good girl from that oh-so-liberal NY Times spinning the right story - that there horrible WMD, and Saddam had to be stopped at any cost. The NY Times which you guys love to hate published that crap without question, and the war plans were congealing as the public was buying the line. And Wilson comes along with his story which threatened to neutralize Judy's good work. This guy had to be stopped. It doesn't take a brain scientist to connect the dots. As to your needing proof of why other people were dismissed, canned, discredited, etc. well we've seen how long it's taken to bring Libby's role in the Plame affair to light. Proving such allegations is always much more difficult than making them. Especially when you're dealing with the tight little, secretive ship that the Bush adminstration has been - probalby the most secretive presidency in history. But, there is an undeniable pattern there, and I've ready one to many accounts from good old Republican servants who've been canned from this administration in the the throes of some disagreement they've had with the Bushies. Again, I suspect, we'll be seeing more and more of the more egregious cases brought to justice as time goes by - if not in court, then with how this all goes down in history. Hah, I have to laugh at that point just before or after the war when Gryphon was parroting that neat little phrase conservatives had conjured in adulation of their hero - the Bush Doctrine. Oh how that concept has evolved? The Bush Debacle is more likely how it will go down in history. |
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| Larry | Nov 2 2005, 01:54 PM Post #48 |
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You are politically delusional. |
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| JBryan | Nov 2 2005, 01:54 PM Post #49 |
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Kathy, There is just so much wrong with what you have posted and so much of it has been addressed on prior occasions I just can't take the time to plow through it all. I will only make two points: 1) Valerie Plame was revealed as a CIA agent in the course of disabusing the news media of the lie that Wilson was sent at the behest of the Vice President. The question naturally arose why would the CIA send Joe Wilson who, up until then, had absolutely no connection with the intelligence community. The answer, of course, was that his wife worked there and she recommended him. All of which was true. That is the only reason her name came up. That continues to be the most plausible explanation and makes far more sense than they were trying to punish Wilson by "outing" his wife which has always been a real head scratcher for me. 2) All of those who work in any administration serve at the pleasure of the President and if they are unwilling to implement his policy then they should be canned. It is the height of arrogance to believe that these people are somehow entitled to continue working in defiance of policy and that running them off amounts to political vengeance. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kathyk | Nov 2 2005, 02:04 PM Post #50 |
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Yes, JB. I know that that is the spin. But ask yourself this: Why in the world would that have been newsworthy? It happens all the time that a friend or relative recommends someone for a job. Halliburton getting no-contracts first in Iraq and now in the Katrina aftermath oughta help that one sink in for you. And, why was it that Judith Miller - the heroine, the Helen of Troy of the Iraq war movement was the "one" to be privy to that little tidbit. Then, take a look at Rove's history of retribution and paybacks. Remember the article about him I posted at PW? I'm you sure you don't. Suffice it to say, retribution (to put it nicely) is his MO. As to your other contention, when one after the next highly qualified person is given the boot, and it just happens to coincide with their voicing dissent with some policy or other, it kind of gives one pause. Poor Colin Powell and his various demotions (actual and moral) is another wonderful example. I don't understand how seemingly smart people like you can continue to staunchly defedn this administration.
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