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| Bush nominates Alito to Supreme Court | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 31 2005, 05:11 AM (767 Views) | |
| kenny | Oct 31 2005, 05:11 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/31/sco...bush/index.html Favored by conservatives. ![]() Do you think this one will fly? |
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| Mark | Oct 31 2005, 05:21 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Did you expect a Bush nominee to be favored by liberals?
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| Rick Zimmer | Oct 31 2005, 07:25 AM Post #3 |
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Fulla-Carp
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A brief conversation at Camp David over the weekend.... THEOCONS: Jump, George! BUSH: How high, Masters? |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| Mark | Oct 31 2005, 08:05 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Just like every president of the past oh say, 100 years! |
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| Jolly | Oct 31 2005, 08:08 AM Post #5 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Yep. For a couple of reasons... 1. There is no debate about his judicial qualifications. He is very qualified, moreso even than Roberts. 2. Conservatives will go to the mat for this guy. A lot of folks may not be aware that the Left raised almost no money to defeat Roberts. I think they will be mostly unsuccessful raising money to defeat Alito...which is why the Dems are already trying to put off the vote as long as possible. 3. Several Dems are coming up for re-election in Red States. 4. The guy has a bit of a libertarian streak in him, that will appeal to some a bit outside the conservative sphere. 5. He's part of a rags to riches, immigrant success story - hard to fight that one. 6. Demeanor. Very soft-spoken, very much a consensus builder. Not nearly as bombastic as Scalia. Much harder for the Left to demonize. That's more than a couple, huh?.... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Larry | Oct 31 2005, 08:09 AM Post #6 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I think he's perfect. The democrats are already foaming at the mouth. The fight is on. Time to kick their pathetic asses. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! |
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Of the Pokatwat Tribe | |
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| kenny | Oct 31 2005, 08:15 AM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Larry, I like your style. (not sarcastic) |
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| Steve Miller | Oct 31 2005, 08:26 AM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Rumor hazzit that he is just slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. Perfect! Edit: Did some more reading on him. There are definitely worse choices out there - one of them just stepped away from the process. Might be the best we can hope for. |
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| kenny | Oct 31 2005, 08:29 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It's okay. I'll never need an abortion. And don't really want to get married anyway. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 31 2005, 08:32 AM Post #10 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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This is not the 8th grade, where you vote for the guy who promises to put Coca Cola in the drinking fountains. |
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| Larry | Oct 31 2005, 08:34 AM Post #11 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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When the only perspective you have is gained from a steady diet of left wing propaganda, that would be the conclusion I suppose. I agree with you it's perfect though...... the fight conservatives have wanted is on - and the democrat party is about to have their asses handed to them on a platter. |
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| Steve Miller | Oct 31 2005, 08:39 AM Post #12 |
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Bull-Carp
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Larry, you really do need try thinking in terms other than left, right, Liberal, Conservative, Democrat and/or Republican. There is a great big world out there, and it's not divided neatly in to partisan partitions. Some issues are large enough to think about on their own. Learn to think for yourself, not blindly follow whatever BS your particular side is peddling this week. The background noise level will drop and you life will improve. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Oct 31 2005, 08:48 AM Post #13 |
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Fulla-Carp
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How can the GOP kick anyone's ass? They have a majority on the Judiciary Committee, they have a majority in the Senate and they are prepared to change the rules in the middle of then game in order to win. Seems to me the cards are stacked and the extremist will likely get the activist judge they want. The only question to me is: How much damage will be done to them in order to get a guy? |
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| Larry | Oct 31 2005, 08:50 AM Post #14 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I'm not the one blindly following BS. You are. There has been a fight underway for the last 30 years to steer this country away from the dangerous direction liberalism has taken it, and it's coming to a head. Victory is near - and I'm not talking about the left's precious abortion issue, or gay marriage either for that matter. |
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| Larry | Oct 31 2005, 08:52 AM Post #15 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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The only question to me is: How much damage will be done to them in order to get a guy? We're hoping for nothing less than the absolute destruction of everything you stand for. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 31 2005, 08:53 AM Post #16 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Steve: You're the one who invoked the spectrum of being to the right of Attila. I don't ever remember you offering anything that is not pigeon-holed in terms of "left, right, Liberal, Conservative, Democrat and/or Republican" either. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 31 2005, 08:55 AM Post #17 |
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Rick: Remind me again of how you see a judge who is intent on judicial restraint is an "activist"? Either it is just your rhetoric, or you live in Wonderland with Alice. |
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| Larry | Oct 31 2005, 09:00 AM Post #18 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I vote it's Wonderland. It's scary to think it, but I actually think he believes the crap he says.... |
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| Rick Zimmer | Oct 31 2005, 10:02 AM Post #19 |
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Fulla-Carp
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You may wish to take a look at how often he overturns laws passed by state and federal legislatures and the decisions of other judges because they do not fit his juducial philosophy. This is one of the definitions of an activist judge -- one who applies his own ideas/philosophy to the Constitution. You may also wish to review his comments to the press in Bush's little capitulation to the extremist right nominating ceremony. He spoke very clearly about the need to interpret the Constitution in certain ways. He obviously sees it as a living document to be intepreted. The entire concept of the Constitution as a living document to be interpreted in modern times is another part of the definition of an activist judge. Now, of course, I think this is what a judge is supposed to do -- so, while I may disagree with his intepretations and the judicial philosophy he will use, I expect him to be the activist his record shows he is. It is the extremist right who seem to see only liberals who do the above two things as activist judges. When conservatives do it, they see it a some sort of judicial restraint. Perhaps it is time for all of us -- right, left and center -- to drop the term "activist judge" and admit this is exactly what we want in our judges; the willingness to apply a certain interpretation and judicial philosophy to their job. |
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| JBryan | Oct 31 2005, 10:06 AM Post #20 |
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I am the grey one
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Yep, Wonderland. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mark | Oct 31 2005, 10:10 AM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Not this guy! In fact I would like to see us NOT "interpret" the constitution but rather live by it's exact and very well thought out words. This would entail of course the immediate dismantling of over 50% of the Federal Government. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Oct 31 2005, 10:22 AM Post #22 |
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Fulla-Carp
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So then you oppose the right's nominee announced this morning? After all, he specifically talked about the need to appropriately interpret the constitution and then briefly explained his own personal way of interpreting it -- which apparently jbryan does not see as judicial activism, but I have always been told applying personal standards and personal interpretations of the Constitution is, by definition, judicial activism. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 31 2005, 10:22 AM Post #23 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Thank you for your honesty and admitting that it is just your rhetoric. I disagree with you -- though I do want judges to interpret according to a particular understanding -- but be quite willing to overturn lower court decisions and federal legislation that is not in keeping with the basic language of the Constitution. All the nonsense about "emanating penumbrum" and the famous "Mystery Passage" in PP vs Casey where we are guaranteed needs to be overturned because it is bad public policy and bad law. One can easily make a case that there can be no law against murder or rape or theft if one's own concept of existence was purely selfish and self gratifying, and that a society that sought to protect this vital "heart of liberty" must make accommodations for such a person since "Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State." I hope you might admit that there is a striking difference between the "judicial activism" of PP vs Casey from anything that Alito has promulgated. I want a judge to be an activist in the same way I want my car mechanic to be an activist - to get it running properly the way the designer of the car intended it to operate. If that take undoing the bastardizations of the past 50 or so years, then fine. But let's not confuse two very different things, Rick. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 31 2005, 10:26 AM Post #24 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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BTW, Rick -- he is not the "right's" nominee. He is the "President's" nominee. If you think that he is the "right's" nominee, then you have a valid case to bring before the Supreme Court, since the "right" has no right to nominate to that position. |
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| Mark | Oct 31 2005, 10:29 AM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I am opposed to just about everyone who works for the federal government and just about everything the federal government does at this time. |
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