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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 28 2005, 05:42 PM (1,421 Views) | |
| Jeffrey | Oct 28 2005, 05:42 PM Post #1 |
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Senior Carp
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/638943.html Iranian boys on Friday protesting at an anti-Israel rally held in Tehran marking 'Al-Quds Day' in support of the Palestinians. (AP) Last update - 02:21 29/10/2005 Iranian president repeats his call for the destruction of Israel By Aluf Benn and Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondents, and Agencies Iran is counting Venezuela as a friend and ally, an Iranian government official said on Friday, amid a diplomatic storm set off by comments from President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this week that Israel should be "wiped off the map." "We are two friendly countries, Iran and Venezuela ... When one is in need the other supports," Saeed Jalili, Iran's Vice Minister of Foreign Relations for Europe and America, said during a visit to Caracas. Despite condemnations from the West and ally Russia, Ah Advertisement Ahmadinejad on Friday signaled he stood by his call for Israel to be eliminated. Israel said it would request an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council over the comments. Venezuela and Iran, both members of the oil exporters' cartel OPEC, have strengthened ties since President Hugo Chavez first won office in 1998 and tightened relations with other crude producing nations. But Venezuela's Foreign Minister Ali Rodriguez appealed for caution on Friday and said that the South American nation would have to consider the comments of the Islamic Republic. "For us to fix a position we need the official versions of the respective countries," Rodriguez told journalists. Meanwhile in Teheran, Over a million Iranians staged anti-Israel protests across the country as Ahmadinejad repeated his earlier call demanding Israel's destruction. China and Turkey on Friday joined the list of nations around the world condemning Ahmadinejad's calls to destroy Israel. The Vatican also condemned the Iranian leader's statement, calling it "particularly serious and unacceptable." U.K's tabloid newspaper, The Sun, called Ahmadinejad 'the most evil man in the world' in a huge two-page spread. The Iranian demonstrations are being held as part of annual Al-Quds - Jerusalem - Day protests, which were first held in 1979 after Shi'ite Muslim clerics took power in Iran. Ahmadinejad made an appearance at the Tehran rally and took a short walk with the crowd. He rejected the West's condemnation of his original comments that "Israel must be wiped off the map" as "invalid." "My words were the Iranian nation's words. Westerners are free to comment, but their reactions are invalid," Ahmadinejad told the official IRNA news agency. State-run television showed Ahmadinejad surrounded by protesters, many holding banners carrying anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slogans including "Death to Israel, death to America." Young girls wearing head-to-toe black chadors with green headbands covered in Islamic verses chanted anti-Israeli slogans below a banner showing caricatures of U.S. President George W. Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Just prior, however, Iran sought to smooth over the effects of Ahmadinejad's comments, saying through its Moscow embassy that he did not mean to "speak up in such sharp terms." World leaders have condemned the remarks, which Ahmadinejad made Wednesday. He was repeating the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of Iran's Islamic revolution. "Mr. Ahmadinejad did not have any intention to speak up in such sharp terms and enter into a conflict," the Iranian Embassy in Moscow said in a statement. "It's absolutely clear that, in his remarks, Mr. Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories," the statement said. But Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was less diplomatic, telling state-run television late Thursday that Iran does not consider Israel legitimate. "The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran," he said. "We don't recognize the Zionist regime and don't consider it legitimate." Mottaki also said the massive demonstrations would illustrate the anger of the Islamic world over the Jewish state's existence. China, Turkey condemn comments China said Friday it disapproved of the Iranian president's calls to destroy Israel, saying such comments ratcheted up Middle East tensions and made Beijing uneasy. China's Foreign Ministry released a statement criticizing the comments by Ahmadinedjad. "This kind of opinion violates the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and intensifies tensions in the Middle East and goes against the interests of the Middle East region and its people," said the statement, which was in response to a media request for comment. "China feels unease regarding this opinion," it said, but did not elaborate. Turkey, the only Muslim country to have close security ties with Israel, added its voice on Friday to the international condemnation of Ahmadinejad's remarks. "Turkey believes that regional conflicts can only be solved through dialogue and peaceful methods," Foreign Ministry spokesman Namik Tan said in a statement. "Turkey believes that international relations should be developed in a spirit of intercultural harmony and dialogue at a time when our world faces the danger of a clash between civilizations," Tan added. "Naturally it is not possible for us to approve of such a statement (by Ahmadinejad)," he said. Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from UN The Foreign Ministry was moving forward Friday with its diplomatic offensive against Iran, launched in response to the Iranian president's statement. On Thursday, Israel called for the expulsion of Iran from the UN. The Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Gillerman, asked the rotating president of the UN Security Council to expel Iran from the world body. Gillerman wrote in a letter that Ahmadinejad's comments require a strong and decisive response from the international community, Israel Radio reported. He said no country that calls for violence and destruction should be allowed membership in the UN. Sharon said at a meeting Thursday with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that a country which calls for the destruction of another people cannot be a member of the UN. "Such a country that has nuclear weapons is a danger, not only to Israel and the Middle East, but also to Europe," Sharon said. Senior Foreign Ministry officials convened Thursday to decide on the best policy for handling the issue. Some of the officials expressed reservations about the diplomatic offensive, saying it would be better for Israel to keep a low profile; however, this position was rejected. The Iranian foreign ministry called on its ambassadors in Europe to adopt countermeasures in response to their summoning by European foreign ministries. It called on the Iranian diplomats to present their "serious protest" against the European ignorance of "crimes committed by the Zionists and suppression of the Palestinian nation." Lavrov, meanwhile, said his government had condemned the statements and called in the Iranian ambassador to Moscow for clarification of the remarks. He said the Russian ambassador to Tehran had also been instructed to present an official condemnation. Lavrov also met with Vice Premier Shimon Peres and said that Moscow is opposed to Iran's attempts to develop and produce nuclear weapons. He said that there was as yet no proof that Iran actually had nuclear weapons and that, according to Russia's information, it would take a long time before Tehran actually had nuclear capability. Therefore, Lavrov added, the wide-scale diplomatic campaign against Iran should be continued unabated but care should be taken not to push Tehran to a point where it refuses to abide by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, as North Korea has done. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan reprimanded Iran's president Thursday for calling for the destruction of Israel. Annan expressed "dismay" over Ahmadinejad's comments in a statement released in a special bulletin by his spokesman. "Israel is a long-standing member of the United Nations with the same rights and obligations as every other member," Annan said in a statement. The UN Charter is opposed to threats or use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of any state, he said. Annan said he plans to visit Iran in "the next few weeks" and would put the Middle East peace process and the right of all states to live in peace and safety within secure borders at the top of his agenda. As the diplomatic offensive continued, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom met with his French counterpart, Philippe Douste-Blazy in Paris, and said that "the international community must prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb. Tehran says its nuclear program is purely to make power but we know what the Iranians' real intentions are," he said. "The Iranians are trying to develop a nuclear bomb in order to destroy the state of Israel," he told reporters after the meeting. "The time has come for the whole international community to be united in order to stop the Iranians." Shalom said Iran is developing missiles with a 3,000-kilometer range that can reach Europe. Iran is a threat to the entire West; it already has missiles that can reach Israel. Shalom said it is conceivable that Tehran might have a nuclear bomb within six months. Douste-Blazy called Ahmadinejad's comments "unacceptable and shocking." "Nobody has the right to call the state of Israel into question," he said. "We will not permit a nuclear Iran." Didn't Rick Z and some others deny this a month or two back?? |
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| pianojerome | Oct 28 2005, 06:02 PM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:03 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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jeff, i posted this a few days ago. i dont think anyone really cares... or at least if they do, they r keeping it to themselves. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| apple | Oct 28 2005, 06:04 PM Post #4 |
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one of the angels
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i care |
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| JBryan | Oct 28 2005, 06:04 PM Post #5 |
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I think I was the only one who replied and I definitely do care. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Oct 28 2005, 06:22 PM Post #6 |
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I thought I responded, but if I didn't I will now. I care - a lot. Israel should immediately launch a preemptive strike against Iran, leveling their entire nuclear and military complex, and the US and the rest of the nations who want peace in the world should fly in right behind them lending their support in completely obliterating the Iranian government and military. There should be no candy assed pussy footing around with the UN or the idiot Kofi Anan, they should just do it. When the dust settles, let whoever is left alive in Iran know that they have one chance left to establish a peaceful nation, and the clock is ticking. |
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:25 PM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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all the others r too busy wishing tomk happy birthday to care about one country threatning to annhilate another one. but to be honest, i sleep well at night. its the iranians who should be tossing and turning at night. we have a history of always looking out for ourselves. because no one else will. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| Larry | Oct 28 2005, 06:35 PM Post #8 |
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because no one else will. I was with you up to that one. We help you, a lot. And I assure you that if Iran were to make a move in Israel's direction, assuming we don't have one of these leftwing nutbobs in office at the time, the US would be right there with you, ripping Iran a new one. |
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| The 89th Key | Oct 28 2005, 06:35 PM Post #9 |
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I'm not sure such a heavy-foot approach will work Larry, or at least I hope it doesnt' come to that. Who knows.... |
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| Larry | Oct 28 2005, 06:37 PM Post #10 |
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A heavy footed approach is *all* that is going to work, 89th. We'd have done far better in Iraq in fact if we'd have used a heavier foot than we did. |
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:42 PM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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i think the usa screwed up too much in iraq to be in a position to use military force again in the forseable future. i think iran and syria are counting on this. but who knows...i may not agree with bush on everything, but i do think that the world can be divided between the good and bad (and ugly) and these guys are definatly bad (and ugly). |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| The 89th Key | Oct 28 2005, 06:47 PM Post #12 |
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Possibly...or perhaps the liberal ideology that has held down America's potential might influence the military later to use a heavier approach. |
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| JBryan | Oct 28 2005, 06:48 PM Post #13 |
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How can you say he screwed up? Our military is on the eastern and western borders of Iran and very near Syria and Saudi as wel. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| pianojerome | Oct 28 2005, 06:48 PM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Do you suppose that if Israel went in and attacked Iran preemptively, then the rest of the entire Arab world would immediately try to invade/obliviate Israel? (which is about the size of New Jersey) I think Israel should be very careful, but figure out quickly how to deal with this situation. |
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| Larry | Oct 28 2005, 06:49 PM Post #15 |
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I don't think Bush has to get permission to go into Iran at this point. |
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| The 89th Key | Oct 28 2005, 06:50 PM Post #16 |
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Interesting Sam, Israel is so decievingly strong. |
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| JBryan | Oct 28 2005, 06:51 PM Post #17 |
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Try and think of this as a chess game. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| pianojerome | Oct 28 2005, 06:52 PM Post #18 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Deceivingly strong, but still human. Granted, the day after Israel declared its independence in 1948, half a dozen surrounding nations immediately invaded... and Israel beat them all. But what if Iran (or others) has nukes? |
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:52 PM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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screwed up, because if the military would have used suffiecient force from the outset, then u would not be stuck in a quagmire of endless insurgents making life miserable. with suffiecient power and forethought , the zarqawis of the world would have been toast and the fancy number, 2000 causulties, would not have been a milestone in bush's illustrious career, |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| JBryan | Oct 28 2005, 06:54 PM Post #20 |
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You seem to be sitting at the MSM Koolaid soda fountain. In short, what "quagmire". |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Oct 28 2005, 06:55 PM Post #21 |
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Good question. Yes, I think many of the Arab countries would ally themselves with Iran. not all, but most. It's inevitable however that sooner or later this battle will be fought. The only way to avoid it is to have already brought the Arab world to its knees one nation at a time. While we're working on that, having a strong ally positioned smack in the middle of the middle east would be a stroke of genius, if only someone would have the foresight to......... eh......... oh.. excuse me.... someone already has hasn't he?....... |
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:55 PM Post #22 |
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israel is in the unenviable position to not be able to withstand even one first strike, so its policy has always been one of deterrance. but when u hve irrational people running a country, normal logic doesnt work. my guess is that israel will never allow the nukes to come online, but that may not entail an overt military strike. it could mean covert ****ing up of their systems, to the point where its incapacitated. im sure the technology exists. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:58 PM Post #23 |
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quagmire...well, i dont think the iraq situation was handled well, the americans are behind walls in the green zone while iraq is being run by dissedent sunnis waiting for the day to blow everyone up. that quagmire. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| kentcouncil | Oct 28 2005, 06:59 PM Post #24 |
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e-pulse cruise missiles, or space-based microwave beam weapons, bach. |
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It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't. - P.G. Wodehouse | |
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| bachophile | Oct 28 2005, 06:59 PM Post #25 |
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and i imagine america wille exit iraq without there being a democratic regime, which is what the original intent was, WMD notwithstanding. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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