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Question for Blacks; ...also known as 'African Americans'.
Topic Started: Aug 9 2005, 05:14 AM (5,165 Views)
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big al
Aug 9 2005, 10:11 PM
In the end, I'm sorry that you don't understand the lesson that Nina and others have tried to convey, 89th. Even if a statement is factually true, there still is no compulsion to make it if it will be hurtful. It is possible to discuss ideas and concepts without throwing around words that are the equivalent of verbal hand grenades.

Big Al

Besides the controversial movie quote, what have I said that was hurtful?
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dolmansaxlil
Aug 9 2005, 07:10 PM
Nina
Aug 9 2005, 11:09 PM
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*snicker

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dolmansaxlil
Aug 9 2005, 11:00 PM
89th,

Yes, people have posted the words "gook" and "nigger" in this thread - in context of the discussion, to make valid arguments.

It's the difference between reading a class "To Kill a Mockingbird" and referring to the black teacher down the hall jokingly as a nigger.

I agree, and you'll see that I said "gook" in the context of a movie quote that was in response to a joking-but-extremely-offensive post regarding stereotypical white behavior, authored by someone making strong stereotypical insults at blacks. Not to mention the countless times these words have been used in different environments around this board for the last few months. Yes the two posts I'm talking about were in jest, and I wasn't offended even though one was pointed at my race. Some people here need to take a :chill:.

In fact, take two.
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apple
Aug 9 2005, 11:02 PM
so WTF are you trying to prove?

Well I wasn't trying to prove anything until some members tried to call me a racist based on my original question. Then all I was (and am) trying to prove is that I'm not a racist, and any claim is unwarranted until I see some sort of evidence, which still has yet to be presented.
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Nina
Aug 9 2005, 11:09 PM
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Are you referring that it takes one to know one? ;)
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I sense you are destined to be constantly tasting shoe leather; Your own or someone else's. At least until you have some experience with the real world. I hope it is not overly traumatic.
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Aug 9 2005, 07:10 PM
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Aug 9 2005, 11:09 PM
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*snicker

:yes: :D
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I can't believe this thread is still going forth....89th, listen to JB...nobody wiser than he. If you would shut your mouth and listen, you might learn something.

And you DO need to lean something......

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JBryan
Aug 9 2005, 11:24 PM
I sense you are destined to be constantly tasting shoe leather; Your own or someone else's. At least until you have some experience with the real world. I hope it is not overly traumatic.

I'll let you know if that ever happens. ;)

Until then, I'll keep responding to these baseless personal insults against me. :sword:
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Jack Frost
Aug 9 2005, 11:29 PM
I can't believe this thread is still going forth....89th, listen to JB...nobody wiser than he. If you would shut your mouth and listen, you might learn something.

And you DO need to lean something......

jf

Feel free to teach away jeff! :thumb:
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Perhaps that was the crux of the problem, but my question was asked with sincerity as it's boggled my mind forever. I can understand it's a cultural thing, but that doesn't warrant such a blatantly incorrect pronunciation of ask and with.

Methinks someone's mind boggles pretty easily. :D

Not.

warrant such a blatantly
Uh-huh. She forgot to apply for her poetic license the same day you were issued yours, I guess.
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Apple, this is what you meant by "disingenuous", right?
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Hey Greg - is that avatar Bertrand Russell?

I'm a huge Bertrand Russell fan. What a brilliant mind.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Amanda
Aug 9 2005, 11:40 PM
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Perhaps that was the crux of the problem, but my question was asked with sincerity as it's boggled my mind forever. I can understand it's a cultural thing, but that doesn't warrant such a blatantly incorrect pronunciation of ask and with.

Methinks someone's mind boggles pretty easily. :D

I take all personal insults in jest, no worries babe! :pirate:
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Dwain Lee
Aug 9 2005, 10:47 PM
That's absolute nonsense. There are rules of grammar, pronunciation and usage in English, as in every other language. There are dialects and variations in every language, but they are flavoringings and variations of actual standards that are set, and taught, as the correct usage. If your statements were correct, then there would be absolutely no reason to teach English in our schools - we could all just speak the way we wanted to; no one's speech would be considered "better" or more proper. You may buy that, but I don't. Based on that argument, all I'd have to do is start pronouncing the letter K as "Three," and it would be just as valid as the sound that it has been attributed to that letter throughout time just because I chose to use it, and after a week or so, everyone hearing me would understand me, knowing that that was the way I pronounced the letter K.

No, there are standards, in language, in culture, in life. Adhering more closely to those standards is "better," and adhering less so to them is "worse." Denying that, supposedly in an attempt to help people by sheltering them from the reality and consequences of such valuations, has caused those people immense harm by allowing them to live lives of delusion. This is a fact that extends far beyond the specific issue being raised in this thread.

Pronouncing K as "three" would hinder your communication with others. A dialect is different because its features are understood and shared by each one of its speakers.

That aside, let me say that I understand and sympathize with your position. Standard English is important for people to learn, if for no other reason than that it is the chosen dialect of academia and most professional fields. That does not, however, make it any better as a means of communication (which is, after all, the point of language).
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Hey, jon - yep, that is Bertrand Russel. I'm glad to know there's another fan on the forum.
"What do you think it is, stupid? It's a string for my lute."
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greg
Aug 10 2005, 12:29 AM
Standard English is important for people to learn, if for no other reason than that it is the chosen dialect of academia and most professional fields. That does not, however, make it any better as a means of communication (which is, after all, the point of language).

It does when the language is used by billions of people.
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So, 89th, are you going to run out and learn a Chinese dialect?
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It's on my list of to-do's actually. I'm not sure what that has to do with supporting ebonics as an equal-to-english language dialect/means of communication.
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Aug 10 2005, 12:56 AM
greg
Aug 10 2005, 12:29 AM
Standard English is important for people to learn, if for no other reason than that it is the chosen dialect of academia and most professional fields. That does not, however, make it any better as a means of communication (which is, after all, the point of language).

It does when the language is used by billions of people.

No. But relevant to the quoted statement.
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Which was in reference to another quote which was addressing another topic.
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Oh, I'm sorry, 89th. I didn't realize I had to get your permission before replying to a side-topic within this post. My apologies. :rolleyes:
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Well when you said

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"So, 89th, are you going to run out and learn a Chinese dialect?"


You were referring to my post that was in itself a reply to another post, which was on a different topic.

You need to send me a PM next time you want to throw a curveball at me! :P Give me a heads up before you switch topics! :sombrero:
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Next time I'll just type slower, 89th, to be sure you can keep up.
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dolmansaxlil
Aug 10 2005, 01:10 AM
Next time I'll just type slower, 89th, to be sure you can keep up.

Was that a white joke!?!?!?! :sword:
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