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Question for Blacks; ...also known as 'African Americans'.
Topic Started: Aug 9 2005, 05:14 AM (5,160 Views)
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Aug 10 2005, 02:49 PM
I got about a half of one wrote, but I got so busy wif other things I had to put it on hold. Maybe now that you aksed about it, I'll start writin' agin.

o rlly

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Thanks for the clarification.

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big al
Aug 11 2005, 09:11 AM
What's the record for longest thread in TNCR? This one has more lives than a cat!

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LOL.

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Dec 6 2006, 03:03 PM
Do you think if when they say "When the professor asks us a question..."

...it's spelled: aks' ?

You know, with the apostrophe and all... :sombrero:

:leaving:

And the truth comes out. It was 89th who brought the thread to the top.

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I'll be back to post my own response in this thread. I want to think about it for a few minutes first.


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caricature n.

1. A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject's distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect.
2. The art of creating such representations.
2. A grotesque imitation or misrepresentation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_English_Vernacular

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Question for Blacks...also known as 'African Americans'.

I don't get it. We all have the same mouth, biological structure and speak the same language, yet I'm standing in line today and I hear this black girl say "wiff" instead of "with", and "aks" instead of "ask".

I can understand if you come from Korea and can't pronounce an "s" at the end of "dollars" or some other plural word, I understand and have seen that...but I don't understand why blacks actually say those words differently. I mean, we all have accents and variations of words, but not entirely different spellings of the word when pronounced phonetically.

This is coming from a white guy.

...also known as 'European Americans'.

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89th,

The question you seemed to ask is not whether black people should or shouldn't be called "African Americans" or whether white people should or shouldn't be called "European Americans". The text of your message had nothing to do with this.

I think Mik said it best:

"My contention is that 89th, a well educated and spoken young man, knows perfectly well both that some African Americans speak this way and that it is no more unusual than any other slang or modification of words by a given population. To express it as some unusual phenomenon that just can't be understood seems to me to be much the same as if he had asked why that particular group likes watermelon and fried chicken."

Me:

You know perfectly well that blacks as a race do not "actually say those words differently" but are using different sounds and that there is nothing unusual about blacks using a vernacular language.


I noticed that you defended your original post as "not PC" and "true", and didn't take responsibility for the misunderstanding you created, and didn't take any advice that was given to you.

You are well meaning but this is not enough- you would have done better to have listened to what your friends were trying to tell you about how they perceived what you wrote.

I don't know or particularly care why you brought this thread to the top but I hope you have had time to think about it some more.

:sad:

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Dec 7 2006, 04:21 AM
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Time to 'axe' this thread.
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I have a question. Why is it that Fisher-Price people always have to put an extra "L" in the question, "O RLY?" I mean, we all have the same brain and finger structure, and we've all seen those funny little owl pictures enough to realize the correct spelling. I just don't get it. I know this is awfully un-PC to even bring up, but what is it about the way Fisher-Price people were raised that makes them do this?

And this from a black-and-white-movie-actor avatar guy.

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Here I was thinking I would spend the next 24 hours defending my decision to respond in it. :rolleyes:

Maybe this is one that should have been left to fall off the last page quietly but don't blame me for bringing it up or posting, or for not realizing it was an old thread when I started posting, or for continuing to post when I realized it wasn't.

Don't blame me for anything. I'm innocent. :angel:

I think it's a very serious topic, I wanted to repond to it, and I spent a good deal of time doing it.

If you have a problem with that, talk to the hand. :wave2:

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Ever since that Mary/immaculate-conception-in-the-ear thread, that particular smiley :wave2: looks vaguely obscene.
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Dec 7 2006, 04:53 AM
Ever since that Mary/immaculate-conception-in-the-ear thread, that particular smiley :wave2: looks vaguely obscene.

I read that thread and had no idea what it was about.

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Dan,

Now that you have added your opinion! :D

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The question you seemed to ask is not whether black people should or shouldn't be called "African Americans" or whether white people should or shouldn't be called "European Americans". The text of your message had nothing to do with this.


O RLY?

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You know perfectly well that blacks as a race do not "actually say those words differently" but are using different sounds and that there is nothing unusual about blacks using a vernacular language.


I didn't say that the whole race did. But you did just say that their race uses different sounds to say words, which is what I've said from the beginning. (Except I wasn't saying the whole race, obviously)

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I noticed that you defended your original post as "not PC" and "true", and didn't take responsibility for the misunderstanding you created, and didn't take any advice that was given to you.


Very observant of you...well, most of it. :)

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I don't know or particularly care why you brought this thread to the top but I hope you have had time to think about it some more.


The board was relatively quiet, so I thought it would be slightly humorous to bring up a year and a half old thread...but someone took that a bit seriously! :P

Don't be so sensitive, Danny boy! :thumb:
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I thought we waited till after Christmas to recycle, but this thread and one in the WTF have been recycled long before then. They remind me of fruitcake.

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'They remind me of fruitcake' :spit:
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Why has this thread come back?

x
x Caroline x
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I see you haven't learned anything, still don't see that you made racist remarks, and continue to smugly ignore all comments and criticisms, the same as when this thread was new.

It might not have occurred to you that I'm not interested in your "water rolls off my back" comments and troll like behavior.

The fact that you brought this thread up and responded to me in the same way you responded to everyone the first time makes me think less of you and I mean that.

You have a lot to learn if your idea of having fun is to make racist remarks and make a fool of yourself twice by recycling the thread.

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Dan, asking why some black people say "ask" differently isn't any more racist than when I ask MP why she says "maths" or why Phykell says "neighbour" or why Quirt probably says "I want to drive the caaaah" or why Larry yells "Git R Done!" when he's watching pr0n. Chill out, hombre.
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A thread asking the rhetorical question, "why do some folks pronounce certain words differently than I (we) do?" ends up lasting for 12 pages and gets everyone imaginable who has ever posted anywhere to post on it. Amazing! I said "rhetorical" in that nobody in their right mind expects that whole groups of people may now be persuaded to speak certain words correctly, even though with however much difficulty, most of us know exactly what these people are saying. Why my sister has pronounced refrigerator as "re-frij-u-a-tor" for as long as anyone can remember and nobody bothers to correct her - and we know damn well that certain other people mispronounce "nuclear" on a regular basis. I wonder if the French are still as concerned with how their language is pronounced as they used to be? Either that or mine has gotten better over the years as I seem to be understood right away. Oh no matter. It's the length of the thread that counts then, isn't it? Let's make this the longest grooviest thread this or any other forum we've encountered has ever seen, full of grazings, near misses, unintended insults, other assorted weird behaviours, etc.
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Good idea David! :thumb:

I used to (and still) say mowlawner.

We had a grape arbor in the back of my house when I was growing up. For the longest time I thought it was called a Great Barber. :sombrero:

Oh, I also say calipitter instead of caterpillar.

Caterpillar...that's a really weird word if you look at it long enough.

[size=14]CATERPILLAR[/size]
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Mrs. Dewey says "supposably." And "boughten." It drives me absolutely insane.

I could have saved six months of my life for other more meaningful pursuits if I had sense enough to not try to correct her in the past.

The fact that she can drive me crazy is one of the things I love about her. ^_^
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AlbertaCrude
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Dec 7 2006, 07:14 AM
Why has this thread come back?

x

Precisely.

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Larry
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big al
Dec 7 2006, 11:05 AM
I thought we waited till after Christmas to recycle, but this thread and one in the WTF have been recycled long before then. They remind me of fruitcake.

Big Al

Hell, every time I go to WTF I'm reminded of fruitcakes.
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Hey Daniel - what do you call white people who live in Africa - European-Africans? Do you call black people living in Africa African-Africans? Why do African-Arficans not say "aks" or "wif", but instead when they speak English usually speak quite clearly and with good grammar?

And what do you call a European-African who moves to the US....European-African-Americans? Or African-Africans who move to Europe... African-African-Europeans?

Of course, we all know that some (not all) Australians are called the same thing no matter where they move to.... village idiots.....
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