How did Jesus look like ?

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How did Jesus look like ?
Topic Started: Jul 29 2005, 05:14 PM (2,245 Views)
Klotz	Jul 29 2005, 05:14 PM Post #1
Middle Aged Carp Posts: 771 Group: Members Member #182 Joined: April 27, 2005	SARAJEVO (Reuters) - Christians are flocking to a northwestern Bosnian town to view an image of Jesus Christ that allegedly appeared in a section of a cut tree branch two days ago, Bosnian media reported Friday. The image resembling Jesus' face cannot be seen from a close distance but only from a few meters away. The branch in the town of Bijeljina was cut about a year ago, said Oslobodjenje daily. Sceptics have dismissed the image as a freak of nature, but pilgrims have been streaming to the tree, kneeling before it to pray, lighting candles, leaving money and cutting off bark to take home. The region's Serb Orthodox bishop Vasilije visited the site and said church officials would discuss the phenomenon and advise believers how to behave. He appealed to visitors not to destroy the tree and not to leave money at the site. ------------------------------------------------------------------- How can people say that the image is resembling" Jesus ? Do they know how Jessus looked like ?



FrankM	Jul 29 2005, 05:55 PM Post #2
Senior Carp Posts: 1,935 Group: Members Member #67 Joined: April 19, 2005	Klotz Jul 29 2005, 09:14 PM How can people say that the image is resembling" Jesus ? Do they know how Jessus looked like ? One could make the argument that Jesus would appear as people today would recognize Him, that is, as he is typically rendered in paintings and statues. No, I’m not making that argument or in any way claiming authenticity for such manifestations. I’m just saying it’s not an implausible argument for those who choose to believe that is an authentic manifestation.



Mark	Jul 30 2005, 09:43 PM Post #3
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 14,425 Group: Members Member #192 Joined: May 3, 2005	Quote: and cutting off bark to take home. that poor tree! Being slowly skinned alive like that! All in the name of religion. :rolleyes:
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Phlebas	Jul 31 2005, 07:12 AM Post #4
Pisa-Carp Posts: 6,947 Group: Members Member #110 Joined: April 21, 2005	Klotz Jul 29 2005, 05:14 PM Do they know how Jessus looked like ? Let's put it this way: if the bag checkers in NYC were profiling, he would be picked out of the crowd.
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Amanda	Jul 31 2005, 08:08 AM Post #5
Middle Aged Carp Posts: 969 Group: Members Member #100 Joined: April 20, 2005	Phlebas Jul 31 2005, 11:12 AM Klotz Jul 29 2005, 05:14 PM Do they know how Jessus looked like ? Let's put it this way: if the bag checkers in NYC were profiling, he would be picked out of the crowd. LOL Not if they were going by the versions in most European churches, though. And if they were looking for "clean-shaven" - no way.
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AlbertaCrude	Jul 31 2005, 05:21 PM Post #6
Bull-Carp Posts: 8,249 Group: Members Member #116 Joined: April 22, 2005	I figure He might a looked a lot like Big Al's avatar (in Jerry's younger years). Of course He might looked like Che too.



FrankM	Jul 31 2005, 06:02 PM Post #7
Senior Carp Posts: 1,935 Group: Members Member #67 Joined: April 19, 2005	Wouldn't it be something if He actually looked exactly like Jeffrey?



AlbertaCrude	Jul 31 2005, 06:08 PM Post #8
Bull-Carp Posts: 8,249 Group: Members Member #116 Joined: April 22, 2005	Poor ol' Jeff wouldn't sleep at night.



big al	Aug 1 2005, 05:31 PM Post #9
Pisa-Carp Posts: 6,467 Group: Members Member #38 Joined: April 19, 2005	AC might be right. As for me, I think you'll know Him when you see Him. Big Al
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Bernard	Aug 8 2005, 01:54 PM Post #10
Senior Carp Posts: 1,698 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: June 23, 2005	I remember reading a book that actually speculated that he was probably not too tall and with close cropped hair--kinda like a crew cut maybe. I'm not making this up; I'll look it up tonight when I get home if I can remember the book I read it in.
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TomK	Aug 8 2005, 02:50 PM Post #11
Bull-Carp Posts: 9,661 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: April 19, 2005	Bernard Aug 8 2005, 05:54 PM I remember reading a book that actually speculated that he was probably not too tall and with close cropped hair--kinda like a crew cut maybe. I'm not making this up; I'll look it up tonight when I get home if I can remember the book I read it in. Sorry Bernard, Jesus as a VERY white guy (tall, 6'3",) with blond hair and blond beard. He had blue eyes (and though VERY chaste,) really liked the BABES! (IF you know what I mean! ;)) Need I say more?
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apple	Aug 9 2005, 01:00 PM Post #12
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 13,717 Group: Moderators Member #24 Joined: April 19, 2005	when I was a kid I was appalled that God was supposed to be your father. I feared the day when I'd leave my dad to be with "Our Father". Now Jesus I liked. I always imagined running to him... my favorite image was of Jesus (my big brother with long hair and sandals below a tunic), swinging me around and throwing me out into a lake with water flowers on the side. We together would then run to where the lambs were, to play with them and the butterflies, with the stars shining during the day. childish visions of heaven..
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FrankM	Aug 9 2005, 01:07 PM Post #13
Senior Carp Posts: 1,935 Group: Members Member #67 Joined: April 19, 2005	apple Aug 9 2005, 05:00 PM when I was a kid I was appalled that God was supposed to be your father. I feared the day when I'd leave my dad to be with "Our Father". Now Jesus I liked. I always imagined running to him... my favorite image was of Jesus (my big brother with long hair and sandals below a tunic), swinging me around and throwing me out into a lake with water flowers on the side. We together would then run to where the lambs were, to play with them and the butterflies, with the stars shining during the day. childish visions of heaven..



katie	Aug 9 2005, 04:12 PM Post #14
Fulla-Carp Posts: 3,022 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: April 18, 2005	Phlebas Jul 31 2005, 09:12 AM Klotz Jul 29 2005, 05:14 PM Do they know how Jessus looked like ? Let's put it this way: if the bag checkers in NYC were profiling, he would be picked out of the crowd. It seems to me Jesus was profiled once, in the Garden of Gethsameni, by someone named Judas, no?



CHAS	Aug 11 2005, 09:22 AM Post #15
Junior Carp Posts: 272 Group: Members Member #62 Joined: April 19, 2005	He spent a lot of time hanging out and drinking wine with a bunch of unattached guys. hmmmm...
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KlavierBauer	Aug 15 2005, 02:44 PM Post #16
Senior Carp Posts: 2,210 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: April 18, 2005	Not that this will mean anything to most... but there is a certain geometry to the typical paintings of Jesus' face... and it appears first in the Shroud of Turin. Obviously many believe the shroud to be a fake, but there is some interesting evidence making it a possibility. That's all just to say.... how do we know that what we picture Jesus to look like isn't how he looked? Okay, he obviously wouldn't have been fair skinned, but the geometry of his face could very well resemble our paintings and images of him.
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Bernard	Aug 19 2005, 03:25 PM Post #17
Senior Carp Posts: 1,698 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: June 23, 2005	The Shroud of Turn is most unlikely to be the image of Christ. The Vatican had always denied that it was a holy relic (because they knew who's image it really was!). In 1988, the Vatican had the shroud carbon dated by 3 separate institutions. The results show that the shroud could not be any older than 1260 AD. (It's interesting that the Vatican published the results on Oct. 13--see below for significance of this date.) The Shroud is most probably the image of Jacque de Molay, the last grand master of the Knights Templar. The catholic church had de Molay arrested along with 15000 other Knights Templar on October 13, 1307. The Vatican's Grand Inquisitor, Guillaume Imbert, tortured Jacque de Molay, and per accounts, de Molay's (almost dead) body was laid out on a cloth. This cloth is most likely the Shroud of Turin. Comparing the likeness of de Molay with the shroud shows an unmistakable resemblance.
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Dewey	Aug 22 2005, 09:27 AM Post #18
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,103 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: April 19, 2005	Bernard Aug 19 2005, 03:25 PM The Shroud of Turn is most unlikely to be the image of Christ. The Vatican had always denied that it was a holy relic (because they knew who's image it really was!). In 1988, the Vatican had the shroud carbon dated by 3 separate institutions. The results show that the shroud could not be any older than 1260 AD. (It's interesting that the Vatican published the results on Oct. 13--see below for significance of this date.) The Shroud is most probably the image of Jacque de Molay, the last grand master of the Knights Templar. The catholic church had de Molay arrested along with 15000 other Knights Templar on October 13, 1307. The Vatican's Grand Inquisitor, Guillaume Imbert, tortured Jacque de Molay, and per accounts, de Molay's (almost dead) body was laid out on a cloth. This cloth is most likely the Shroud of Turin. Comparing the likeness of de Molay with the shroud shows an unmistakable resemblance. Well, actually... http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1289491.htm I admit that I'm intrigued by the Shroud - not that my own faith is in any way dependent on whether the image is Jesus or not, but more because I like the idea that it might be. I like the mystery, the unanswered question, that the Shroud represents. I think that there should always be a bit of mystery to life; it's more interesting that way.
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Dewey	Aug 24 2005, 04:54 PM Post #19
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,103 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: April 19, 2005	On the other hand, maybe he just looked like this: http://www.ignitermedia.com/lastpainting.asp Click the image to watch the painting being made. I just bumped into this little video & thought of this thread. Personally, I like jodi's & kenny's painting style better, but I still think watching the guy create the painting was pretty cool. (Warning: video contains religious textual content)
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katie	Aug 25 2005, 06:29 AM Post #20
Fulla-Carp Posts: 3,022 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: April 18, 2005	The shroud always intrigued me too Dwain. Mysterious. The imagery. It makes me think. It has purpose ...



*musical princess*	Aug 25 2005, 08:58 AM Post #21
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 14,456 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: August 17, 2005	This is my artistical impression of what i think Jesus looks like - and no mocking my paint skills, i do realize he looks rather feminine but it's the best i could do. x
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KlavierBauer	Aug 26 2005, 05:28 PM Post #22
Senior Carp Posts: 2,210 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: April 18, 2005	Bernard, did you copy/paste that right out of The Davinci Code or something? I have a great video I can loan you if you'd like from the Discovery Channel with quite a bit of "science" in it. The carbon dating you cite has been in question for some time, given the bacteria that most likely flawed the carbon-14 dating. Interesting Article about the Shroud Anyway, I'm serious that I'd loan you this video if you were interested. A group of scientists were allowed to examine the shroud when it's protective case was changed several years ago. No new samples were taken (new research about the inaccuracy of previous carbon dating is based on the original samples taken in 1988). Regardless of the shroud's authenticity though, the point still remains: The traditional image of Jesus begins to gain popularity after the shroud was discovered in 1357. Even if it is not Jesus' face in the shroud, it is reasonable that this image is the basis of the modern Jesus face.
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ivorythumper	Aug 27 2005, 07:27 PM Post #23
*YOUR AD HERE* Posts: 33,259 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Bernard: Holy Blood, Holy Grail is not considered good history by academics. And KB, the conventional images of Christ similar to the Shroud (e.g, the Mandylion, and Eastern iconographic depictions) predate the 13th and 14th centuries by quite a bit, esp the distinctive cleft beard.
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Dewey	Aug 29 2005, 04:12 PM Post #24
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,103 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: April 19, 2005	Think back to your art history/architectural history classes. All of these are mosaics in churches in Ravenna, Italy. This first one is in San Appolinare Nuovo, circa 526: Christ before Pilate And another one: But they must have decided that at some time post-Exaltation, and by the time of the last judgment, Christ decided to shave. From the same church: Christ separating the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25) Another example of the resurrected and ascended Christ, ruling the cosmos, sans beard - from the basilica of San Vitale, also in Ravenna, circa 547: But wait a minute, not so fast - this one is from San Appolonari in Classe, Ravenna, circa 549: In any case, our ideas of what Christ looked like at least predate the 1500's.
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bachophile	Aug 31 2005, 03:25 PM Post #25
Pisa-Carp Posts: 5,999 Group: Members Member #23 Joined: April 19, 2005	Starting with the assumption that Jesus resembled a typical peasant from 1st century CE Palestine, Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from the University of Manchester in England, and a team of researchers "started with an Israeli skull dating back to the 1st century. They then used computer programs, clay, simulated skin and their knowledge about the Jewish people of the time to determine the shape of the face, and color of eyes and skin." Mike Fillon followed the research and wrote an article about the portrait in "Popular Mechanics" magazine. He said during a CNN interview that: "There are very strong rabbinical laws in Israel that you cannot tamper with a skull or any bones, so they needed to reconstruct the skull. Using a cat scan, which is very common in hospitals, they were able to recreate the skull precisely and make a cast of it. Then they put small wooden pegs, based on anthropological data, to figure out what the muscle structure and the skin would look like, and so they layered that on using clay-like substances." 4 The result is shown in the left portrait above: a person with abroad peasant's face, dark olive skin, short curly hair and a prominent nose. His height would have been on the order of 5' 1"; he would have weighed about 110 pounds. Alison Galloway, professor of anthropology at the University of California in Santa Cruz , said that: "This [portrait] is probably a lot closer to the truth than the work of many great masters." p.s. and he was circumsized!!!
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