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A "New" Democrat Party????; DNC, meet the DLC......
Topic Started: Jul 25 2005, 09:09 AM (465 Views)
Larry
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I've said several times that the current Democrat party needed to die, the leftwing nutbobs who now run things and set the agenda the lemming left follow be shaken off, and out of the ash heap of the infestation that now is known as the Democrat Party those with common sense should start a new party.

Well..........


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Hillary, and all the other politicians who plan on running for high office next election, have "seen the light". They have announced the formation of the DLC.

Their platform? So far, it's "we can't continue being the party that obstructs. We can't continue being the party that won't fight for our defense. We can't continue to be......"

all the things the Democrat party has become.......

The only problem - Hillary is one of the ringleaders, and she is a liar. She knows that if she has a prayer of a chance, she has to dump the loony left, and reshape the Democrat party into Republican II.....

It makes me wonder...... the Clintons are at the very least consumate politicians. They worked very hard to see Dean become head of the DNC.....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

I hope they succeed in tearing the Democrat party in half, so the loony left is set adrift, and the Democrats can get back to being Americans instead of the sorry assed bunch they are now.

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Larry
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What's wrong, lefties? Haven't you received your talking points memos on this one yet?

A few Democrats have smelled the coffee. They've finally discovered you've taken the Democrat party off the deep end, and it is no longer electable.

Where are they running?

Straight to the right! They're becoming Republicans!!

What me and several others have been telling you all along has been proven true! Your party is coming apart at the seams!

No comment????????

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

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Jolly
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Hillary is just taking a page out of Bill's Playbook. Before the election of 1992, Clinton, along with some other like-minded politicians, set up a more "centrist" collection of Democrats within the framework of the party.

Most folks think it was quite successful.

I'm not one of them. I believe that if not for Mr. Perot, GHWB would have been re-elected. In either of Clinton's elections, he never won a majority of the vote - even when running against Dole.
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The DLC is hardly a new invention. If anything, it is a resurrection of Al From's DLC with the same mission.
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The problem with the Democratic party isn't that being left is such a problem. It's cause it has too many directions, too many priorities. If you're a Republican all you have to do is say, "I like guns, my mamma, God, and killin' terrorists". You've got votes.

Lefties, on the other hand, get too caught up in which special project should be important. It's a lack of focus that's killing the party - not intentions.
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KlavierBauer
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What's killing the Left is that some Americans are FINALLY waking up and taking responsibility for their futures.
People are realizing (to some degree at least) that they don't want to live in a socialist country, and they're realizing that they can do everything (in the private sector) that the government can do .... only better.

There's no need for the Democratic party (at least the flavor of it that exists today) without the population becoming wards of the State. If the country is doing well, and the people are doing well, there's no need for a party that requires them to do horribly.
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Jul 25 2005, 02:42 PM
The problem with the Democratic party isn't that being left is such a problem. It's cause it has too many directions, too many priorities. If you're a Republican all you have to do is say, "I like guns, my mamma, God, and killin' terrorists". You've got votes.

Lefties, on the other hand, get too caught up in which special project should be important. It's a lack of focus that's killing the party - not intentions.

No, it's probles is that it has no goals, in and of itself except power. It uses whatever means it can as scare tactics: "The evil republicans will take away your Social Security benefits!" In the past 20 years, there have been no fewer than four bills introduced to completely remove Social Security from the table as far as government spending goes. These bills weren't anything as "drastic" as what has been proposed lately, no reductions in benefits,and for the most part, just meant putting SS in the "Lockbox" No fewer than four times these bills have been voted down. Care to guess which party sponsored the bills, and which voted it down each time? "If the republicans are elected, all of your jobs will be shipped out to mexico!" Remind me again, who passed Nafta? Who signed it into law? "Republicans are for big business, Democrats are for unions and the little guy". Ridiculous.
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KlavierBauer
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Interesting side note... America has YET to lose a job to another country. Other countries hire us to do things as well, and to date are creating about twice as many American jobs as we are shipping out to other countries.

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No, it's probles is that it has no goals, in and of itself except power. It uses whatever means it can as scare tactics: "The evil republicans will take away your Social Security benefits!"


That perspective is hardly unique to the Democratic party. Unless you are laughably postulating that the Republicans are really only in running for office because of their philanthropic tendencies.

Translation: Hey pot! This is kettle! You're black!
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KlavierBauer
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So what is the goal of the Democratic party then?
Don't discount the statement and back it up with "oh yeah? you guys do that too!"

Tell us what is the goal of the Democratic party for it's adherents, and for the country in general?
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Jul 25 2005, 01:30 PM
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No, it's probles is that it has no goals, in and of itself except power. It uses whatever means it can as scare tactics: "The evil republicans will take away your Social Security benefits!"


That perspective is hardly unique to the Democratic party. Unless you are laughably postulating that the Republicans are really only in running for office because of their philanthropic tendencies.

Translation: Hey pot! This is kettle! You're black!

Of course not, since Republicans are politicians, too.

At least they have vision. Sometimes sweeping panoramas of what they want America to be, and where they want it to go.

Most importantly, some of them have ideas on how to get there.

The political battlefields of America are littered with the corpses of the anti-everythings, and monuments are built to honor those who hitch their wagon to a star, and persuade the rest of us to come along for the ride.
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I kinda thought that I spelled it out. But I can do it again. They don't have a central goal. Special interests and side projects distract the Democratic party to the point where there is no central vision to speak of.

As an example, Kerry had an awful lot of good advice from various aides. Unfortunately, he tried to apply it all. The advice would've been great if everyone in the Democratic party had the same interests but they don't. As a result, Kerry wasn't able to carry enough of his supporters on whatever little pet cause with huge Precious Moments eyes they've adoped and taken home.

So to answer your question, I can't give you a central goal because I fail to see one and that's what I was pretty sure I expressed in my original post to this thread.

Now, I did play the, "Republicans so do that too" card 'cause Anakin said that Democrats just want power. That's the definition of politician and as I stated, is hardly unique.
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Luke's Dad
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Jul 25 2005, 05:30 PM
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No, it's probles is that it has no goals, in and of itself except power. It uses whatever means it can as scare tactics: "The evil republicans will take away your Social Security benefits!"


That perspective is hardly unique to the Democratic party. Unless you are laughably postulating that the Republicans are really only in running for office because of their philanthropic tendencies.

Translation: Hey pot! This is kettle! You're black!

Oh, there are certainly those republicans just in it for the power, notoriety, and for financial reasons. It's not as rampant, however, as it is with the democrat party. By my statements, I don't mean democrats as individuals, but as a party.
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Oh, there are certainly those republicans just in it for the power, notoriety, and for financial reasons. It's not as rampant, however, as it is with the democrat party. By my statements, I don't mean democrats as individuals, but as a party.


Okay, please please please tell me you're not comparing the federal offices here and that you're keeping your statement to local (towns and stuff) offices. Please tell me that's the case.
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The dems do nothing but point fingers.

The war in Iraq is wrong...but we don't have a solution.

The war against terrorism is wrong...but we don't have a solution.

Quasi-privatizing Social Security is wrong...but we don't have a solution.

Et cetera.

...the liberal hippie unrealistic idealists number in the millions, each with their own mass-communicative tool, be it newspapers, movies, cable news, or blogging.

The party's platform is being pulled at by a hundred different strings...when all they're doing is sinking.

Site note: I hope Hillary is the nominee in '08...I can see what'll happen in the booths already; the same thing that happened when gay marriage was voted on in Nov. 2004. People will play it calm, cool, and PC...but when they get in there and the decision is private and all 100% their own, they'll choose what they really want...and as sexist as it is...I think there are still too many people out there who don't want a woman representing our country as President for her to be elected. If she was...Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton?....wow, that would be weird.
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Jul 25 2005, 05:42 PM
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Oh, there are certainly those republicans just in it for the power, notoriety, and for financial reasons. It's not as rampant, however, as it is with the democrat party. By my statements, I don't mean democrats as individuals, but as a party.


Okay, please please please tell me you're not comparing the federal offices here and that you're keeping your statement to local (towns and stuff) offices. Please tell me that's the case.

I mean in positions of power in the democrat party.
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Larry
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If you're a Republican all you have to do is say, "I like guns, my mamma, God, and killin' terrorists". You've got votes.

I do hope you were being facetious, as truly holding such a shallow and ignorant idea of what a Republican is would be ridiculous.

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KlavierBauer
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Larry, that was a well articulated, and unemotional response.

That was a fantastic post.
You are spot on there, and have handled yourself marvelously in the face of such a baited attack.


Let's see more of that
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Larry,

To some extent is was facetious. A bit of parody never hurt anyone. heh. But the use of such a device doesn't hurt my position. The Republican party HAS a well defined platform that it's members cling to like an ideological saftey blanket. There's very little division amongst the Republican core. Would you disagree? Now that would be ridiculous.

Anakin,

Please tell me you're not that naive. Please. I beg you! The leaders of ANY party are power mongers who by the nature of their desire for their post should be immediately disqualified and probably jailed. I mean, Hell! The Republican party had to loosen the ethics law to insure that their pretty boy wasn't kicked out of office for his misdeeds. I'm not playing apologist for the Democrats. They're just as corrupt and ethically bankrupt as your favorites. Let's just make sure that we're giving due comeupance on either side. You can sip the Koolaid but don't slam it, 'kay?

I think it's an important distinction to make between the political leaders of a party and the little cogs that embrace certain ideologies supposedly represented by said parties. I think the leadership of both parties have lost touch with their constituents - constituents that if you looked at their views from an individual basis really aren't all that different. They want the government to provide services that correlate to their personal beliefs/positions and interfere as little as possible with their personal lives. Each side (right vs left) have different agendas or priorities certainly and one could argue that there's a few issues that will NEVER be reconciled but by and large the little people aren't all that different.

It makes one wonder why our elected officials can't do a better job of running the country. And that goes for either side.
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Larry, the DLCs been around for ages. What's your point?
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Larry
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It makes one wonder why our elected officials can't do a better job of running the country. And that goes for either side.

I will agree with you on this point. I'm not a Republican either. In my opinion, there are very few leaders in the Senate *or* the Congress. I think we ought to fire every damned one of them, change the rules to a 2 term limit, cut their pay in half, cut their benefits to the same kind they "generously allow" the people to have, and start over.

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You forgot that they deserve to be flogged for the money they took from special interests.
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