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The terrorists are laughing their @sses off
Topic Started: Jul 23 2005, 08:26 PM (367 Views)
kenny
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23...tube/index.html

Opps.
Cops shoot an innocent guy, point blank, in front of horrified witnesses.

"Sorry chap, we thought you were a terrorist."

But it is all okay.
Just forget about it.
Terrorism is so bad it justifies anything.

Move along.
Carry on.
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dolmansaxlil
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They're going to forbid me from using the lefty pacifist secret handshake for this one, but:

If the cops are after you and they give you an order, follow it. If you act like a criminal in a situation like that, you're going to be treated like one. He ran, he disobeyed police orders - he wasn't acting like an innocent.

I'm not saying he deserved it, but I can't really blame the cops on this one.
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dolmansaxlil
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(Kenny edited after I replied, so I'm responding to the edit)

Kenny, if they had just walked up to him in the subway and shot him, I'd feel the same way. But they didn't. They ordered him to stop, he jumped a barricade, and he ran onto a train. They suspected him of bombing other trains. If they had let him go, and he actually DID manage to detonate a bomb, people would be calling for the police force's heads. He acted like a criminal.
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kenny
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dolmansaxlil
Jul 23 2005, 08:37 PM
(Kenny edited after I replied, so I'm responding to the edit)

Kenny, if they had just walked up to him in the subway and shot him, I'd feel the same way. But they didn't. They ordered him to stop, he jumped a barricade, and he ran onto a train. They suspected him of bombing other trains. If they had let him go, and he actually DID manage to detonate a bomb, people would be calling for the police force's heads. He acted like a criminal.

They were wrong.
An innocent man dead.

This Sh!t is going to get worse.

Anyway, all the information is not out yet.

Again, the terrorists are laughing.
We are idiots running around making fools of ourselves.

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dolmansaxlil
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I'm not saying they weren't wrong. I'm thinking that shooting the guy wasn't the best option. However, I can't just flat out blame the cops either. This guy may have BEEN innocent, but he certainly didn't act innocently.

Trust me - I'm the farthest you can get from a supporter of the whole "war on terror" nonsense. But when it comes to law enforcement, you do what they tell you. If you don't, then be prepared to suffer the consequences.
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kenny
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Jul 23 2005, 08:44 PM
. . .  be prepared to suffer the consequences.

Consequenses. . .
Five Bullets?
Death?

Granted, hindsight is 20/20.
If this guy did have explosives strapped to his chest we would have a very different news story.

I just think the terrorists are pulling our strings.
We could cut the strings by ignoring the the terrorists.

Sure a few innocent civilians will die, maybe me; that will suck.
But if we accept that, and just don't react, the terrorism will stop.
We will take their power to terrorize away.
No more will die.

Americans GIs die in war.
We accept that.
Perhaps we all need to think of ourselves as GIs.

What you resist persists.

We don't negotiate with terrorists, hostages are sacrificed.
So why react to terrorists?
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Kenny I would have shot this person too, no question.

Granted, when I first heard this report I was in my car and I was so pissed, that the London police were trigger happy and wanted revenge that they killed an innocent man.

But then when I read that he ran away, jumped a baricade, and ran onto a train with a big coat or something...I would have shot him without question. He could have easily detonated a bomb, even when they were tackling him...this guy was an idiot for running and now he's dead.

Both parties are at fault, but this wouldn't have happened had he followed orders.

I do agree that the terrorists are laughing. I say we secure our borders, our airports, our docks, but besides that IGNORE their terrorism. Ignore it! Fight them in their sand hut, definitely...but don't further their grasp of fear on us by making stupid decisions like bag searches at train stations, spending money on idiotic programs, and shooting innocent people...even if the guy deserved it.
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Wow.

89th - I think we just agreed on something that wasn't movie-related.

:leaving:
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yhabpo
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even if the guy deserved it.


Fascinating.
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dolmansaxlil
Jul 24 2005, 01:38 AM
Wow.

89th - I think we just agreed on something that wasn't movie-related.

:leaving:

Bux must be having a fit! ;) :hug: :nerd:
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yhabpo
Jul 24 2005, 01:44 AM
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even if the guy deserved it.


Fascinating.

Reality fascinates you, eh? You should get out more...a wonderful world of freedom and common sense awaits you! :thumb:
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apple
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the complexity of the situation does not call for a simple response

it behooves me to behold
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How is this situation complex? Some moron not only IGNORED the orders of law enforcement but proceeded to act in a way that screams malfiescence. Considering what the Underground had been through the last couple of weeks, that's just retarded. The cops shot him. Where's the complexity of that situation?
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JBryan
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We have a new Darwin award winner:

"Stop, or we'll shoot!"

"Bugger off!"

BANG!
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Jolly
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Reminds me of something I witnessed awhile back...

We've got a drunk MVA in the ER, turns out he's not bad enough to hospitalize, so off to the pokey he goes. State trooper handcuffs the guy and tries to put him in the car, but he resists. Tries to grab the car door, kicks at the trooper, curses the officer.

The state trooper calmly tells him to put his head down, and let me put you in the seat.

Same, same.

Trooper grabbed the old boy by the hair on the back of his head, broke his nose on the roof of the car, and stuffed him in the back seat.

There are times when it is advantageous to listen to the voice of authority....
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Bux, don't tell me we are agreeing already! :hair:
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iainhp
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One thing's for sure - next time the London police are chasing someone and the order to "stop or we'll shoot" is delivered, there will be no doubt as to what the police intend to do if the suspect does not stop. So be sure and step out of the line of fire if you're around.
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On Friday, at the very time British police were shooting the man in the Tube, the IDF caught and disarmed a terrorist from Fatah already inside Israel en route to carrying out a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. Israeli forces didn't injure the terrorist at all in apprehending him and disarming him of the 5-kg. explosive belt he was wearing.
Had Israeli police shot dead an innocent foreigner on one of its buses or trains, confirming the kill with a barrage of bullets at close range in a mistaken effort to thwart a bombing, the UN would probably have been sitting in emergency session by late afternoon to unanimously denounce the Jewish state.

By evening, 12 hours had passed since the shooting, but the BBC still hadn't interviewed a grieving family, no one had called for British universities to be boycotted, Chelsea and Arsenal soccer clubs hadn't been ordered to play their matches in Cyprus, and The Guardian hadn't yet called British policy against its Pakistani population "genocide."

As for London Mayor Ken Livingstone, who is in overall control of transport in the city, including the train where the man was shot, and who strongly defended the shoot-to-kill policy as a legitimate way to prevent suicide bombings, he was not yet facing war crimes charges – as Livingstone himself has demanded Israeli political leaders should be.

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