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| The answer to the question about Ginny; Spoilers! But has everyone read it now? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 23 2005, 02:41 AM (673 Views) | |
| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 23 2005, 02:41 AM Post #1 |
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It's been a week.. This is taken from the 3rd part of Emerson and Melissa's interview with JKR last week: ES: It seems like it would be impossible. If Harry had gone to the cave, he never could have done it on his own, it seems like. JKR: Well, I'm prepared to bet you now, that at least before the week is out, at least one of the Horcruxes will have been correctly identified by careful re-readers of the books. * MA: Someone put it to me last night, that if Ginny, with the diary - JKR: Harry definitely destroyed that piece of soul, you saw it take shape, you saw it destroyed, it’s gone. And Ginny is definitely in no way possessed by Voldemort. MA: Is she still a parselmouth? JKR: No. So I guess that destroys all our speculation! * This must be the locket in Grimmauld Place; there hasn't been any other, has there? |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 23 2005, 06:34 AM Post #2 |
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Whew, I am relieved. I was going back and forth on that one. I think it's as Dol supposed, Harry himself. Plus the locket makes two. The question is, is it still at Grimmauld Place, or did Mundungus swipe it? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 23 2005, 04:42 PM Post #3 |
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Ok - I can't remember the exact wording in the book - and my dad stole my copy (my mum is reading their copy, and they don't want to buy a second copy of it). But did the note left in the middle of the lake say that the locket had been destroyed, or just that it had been taken? Because the assumption at the end of the book was that there were 7 Horcruxs originally, that the diary and the locket were both gone, so now there were 5 more. Are you suggesting that there are still 6? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 23 2005, 04:43 PM Post #4 |
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And that question about Mundungus actually brings up a good point. I'd bet he'll be very important to Harry in the last book. He's probably come across at least one (probably more) of the Horcruxs in his various sales schemes. Even if the locket isn't amongst them. |
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| jgoo | Jul 23 2005, 04:58 PM Post #5 |
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Dol, I don't have my book either, and I don't remember what exactly the note from RAB said about the locket. You're right about the horcruxes though, but there are only 6 horcruxes, not 7. There are 7 pieces to Voldemort's soul, but only 6 horcruxes. The 7th piece is still with Voldemort, in his body. The diary has been destroyed, as well as the ring. So that's 2 horcruxes that we know for certain that are gone. 4 now remain. The locket, if destroyed, means that Harry only needs to seek out 3 horcruxes, but if the locket wasn't destroyed, he'll have to find that one as well. After he's destroyed the remaining horcruxes, he can go after Voldemort himself, and destroy the final, 7th piece of his soul. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 23 2005, 05:00 PM Post #6 |
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Ok - what are the horcruxs we know/suspect? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 23 2005, 05:02 PM Post #7 |
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Alright: diary - destroyed ring - destroyed locket - Grimmauld's place (?) Nagini - with Voldemort So that leaves two unknowns. Harry maybe being one. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 23 2005, 05:31 PM Post #8 |
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The note stated that RAB was planning on destroying the locket. There is no proof, however, that it was completed. Harry has to track it down and ensure it was. I think Sarah nailed it about RAB being Sirius' brother. It's perfect. OK, the list: Diary (obviously destroyed) Ring (Destroyed, but has left a whole new clue. Question: Was the zigzag mark on the ring when worn by Riddle's grandfather? And was it there before Dumbledore destroyed it?) Locket (Don't know if it was destroyed or not, could be at Grimmauld or sold by Mundungus) Nagini (With Voldy) Hufflepuff's Cup (Location Unknown) The sixth? If my guess is correct, and the zigzag scarring on the ring is a result of being turned into a horcrux, well................ |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 23 2005, 05:34 PM Post #9 |
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OMG! I never even made that connection with the zig zag mark on the ring! Egads! Oh, Harry is SO a Horcrux. I'm all giddy for calling that one now! :lol: |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 25 2005, 08:15 AM Post #10 |
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Well you have to kill someone to make a Horcrux. Do you think it is the action of trying to kill the person that counts, or the moment of death? Because if it is the action of trying to kill then Harry could be one, whereas if it is the moment of death he could not be; yes, his mother died, but she didn't have to die, so V could not have been planning to make Harry a Horcrux. I don't know if the death of his father would count. But think about it; Voldemort knows he has to destroy Harry from before Harry's birth (or shortly after, I don't remember) and so he thinks, ah, I will put a piece of myself in my enemy so I will never die while he lives, and he will never kill me whilst he lives. It's perfect for Voldemort; but he would never have done that, because he had no idea that Harry would not die. Hmmm, intriguing! |
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| Nina | Jul 25 2005, 11:31 AM Post #11 |
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You do? I don't remember that part. I'll have to go back and re-read the horcrux part. Obviously if you actually have to kill Harry, then he can't be the horcrux. (Yes, I'm exceptionally brilliant. )
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 25 2005, 01:22 PM Post #12 |
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But, if he was preparing to make something else into a horcrux as soon as he killed Harry, then the spell might have already been in motion when the Kadavre rebounded onto him. Who knows what happened from there? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 25 2005, 01:26 PM Post #13 |
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Hmmm...I just had a realization. At the end of GoF, when the Priori Incantatum happens, it shows: Wormtails Hand Cedric The old man Bertha Jorgens Harry's mum Harry's dad Shouldn't there be another spell between Bertha and Harry's mum if a Horcrux was made at that time? |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 25 2005, 01:33 PM Post #14 |
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Brilliant!I had a question about that, too! Not the same one, I am awed by your mighty Harry Potter knowledge and research prowess! My question was: Who killed Cedric? Was it Wormtail or Voldy? The fact of the priori incantatum brought Cedric's shade, we know the wand had to be used. Was Voldy strong enough to do a Kadavera curse? Would he have allowed Wormtail to use the wand? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 25 2005, 01:37 PM Post #15 |
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Also in GoF, who kills the old man? Harry relays the story to Dumbledore, who asks about Voldy's form. When Harry says something about him having to have a form with arms, or else who would hold the wand, Dumbledore found that very interesting. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 25 2005, 01:44 PM Post #16 |
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It had to have been Voldy's wand, as the old guy came out, too. Speaking of which, where's the wand been? If it's Voldy's original, then I presume Wormtail brought it from the Potters, following "the event". However, as a rat, he certainly wasn't carrying it around with him, where's it been and how did they get it? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 25 2005, 01:48 PM Post #17 |
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That's a very good point as well. Perhaps we'll have to wait til episode 3 to find that out. Oh wait. Wrong series. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 25 2005, 01:57 PM Post #18 |
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Your Priori point is brilliant, Hermio.... I mean Dol! I posted it on Muggle.net. Genius! Damn, it was just sitting there. Of course, what about the scar, the mental connection, etc.....? |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 26 2005, 12:50 AM Post #19 |
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In both cases I assume that Wormtail fired the curse using Voldemort's wand; I know for sure that he killed Cedric that way (I can't remember how, I think it may have been in an interview) but I'm not sure about Frank. What I want to know is where Wormtail's wand is (if he lost it in his rodential years then why has he not gotten another; Mr. Ollivander seems creepy enough to not wonder why Wormtail rose from the dead). Also, during Priori Incantatem, where is Harry's Avada Kedavra spell? It was still fired; why isn't it there? We know for sure that Voldemort used his own wand, because - ah, actually, we don't, do we? I assumed we did because of the qualities that were passed through to Harry but that could be just because of the wielder of the wand rather than the instrument itself. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 26 2005, 05:54 AM Post #20 |
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My guess is that spells that don't have effect wouldn't reappear, because they wouldn't have a form to take. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 26 2005, 06:14 AM Post #21 |
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I had assumed that the AK meant for Harry was partially intercepted by Lily. |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 26 2005, 06:26 AM Post #22 |
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No, LD, V killed his mother, and then turned to Harry and performed another curse. dol, maybe that is it, but why has it never come up before? Is she trying to hide something? The spell left the wand, I wouldn't have thought the the wand would be interested in whether the spell reached its destination or not; after all, if Neville were to try and disarm someone, but he missed, his wand would still splurge out that spell, wouldn't it? |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 26 2005, 07:12 AM Post #23 |
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Who knows what an unsuccessful spell would look like in Priori? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 26 2005, 10:34 AM Post #24 |
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That's just it - the spell could appear as a formless white mist or something, since it never reached the destination. Perhaps they did appear, but because they had no meaning for Harry, they aren't described? I also wonder if lesser spells would appear. For example, how would a disarming spell appear in Priori? With AK there is obviously a human form. With Wormtail's hand, there was shape to it. But what about lesser curses and charms? |
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| LadyElton | Jul 26 2005, 10:45 AM Post #25 |
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When it was realized that Harry is a Parselmouth, didn't Dumbledore say that Voldemort transfered a part of himself into Harry the night that Harry's parents were killed? It would make sense that Harry could be a Horcrux. He is a Parselmouth, can see Voldemort's thoughts/dreams. The Sorting Hat did say Harry would have done well in Slytherin. |
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