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If you were one of the bag searchers...?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2005, 10:48 AM (500 Views)
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would you let any one that looks like they are even close to being from the middle east go unsearched?

I would get fired the first day for racial profiling.
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You and me both, man.
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Yes, I would let several go unsearched. I see many many middle eastern men on a daily basis--my favorite deli is run by 2 middle eastern men. They do not all look suspicious. No more so than any other race.
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What do you call an unemployed, female, homeless bag searcher?
it behooves me to behold
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Bernard
Jul 22 2005, 04:31 PM
They do not all look suspicious. No more so than any other race.

Bernard, I think you've gone of the deep end. :baby:
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would you let any one that looks like they are even close to being from the middle east go unsearched?


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come on.

look at this sweet face. now imagine her in jeans and without hair covered....

and now look what she did...(oct 2003)

Twenty-one people were killed, including three children and a baby girl, and 60 wounded in a suicide bombing carried out by a female terrorist in the Maxim restaurant in Haifa. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

The bomber, Hanadi Jaradat, a 29-year-old lawyer from Jenin, managed to get past Maxim's security guard before blowing herself up in the middle of the restaurant. The security guard was killed in the attack, along with three other Israeli Arab employees of the restaurant.

if they want to bomb a ny subway, believe me, all the random searches in the world wont stop it.

and its coming....
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Exactly how many Middle Eastern people do you encounter on a daily basis 89th? Have you lived around and with them for several years? Do you even know what you are talking about?
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Sheesh.
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My favorite neighborhood gas station is run by a Middle Eastern family.

But I have to admit, if I were a bag checker, I'd be looking more closely at someone who looks Middle Eastern. It may not be right, but there it is.
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There are so many characteristics that are far more indicative of a problem than just the surface ethnicity of someone. How they move. How they act. Where their eyes wander to. How nervous are they. How they are dressed. Etc. Etc.

One does not need racial profiling to select those who need a closer inspection. To think a middle eastern veneer automatically makes someone suspect borders on paranoia and indicates a level of fear that is unwarranted (but desired by the current Admininstration).
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I hope there is an unspoken policy of profiling for terrorists.

I know they stop people like my 62-year-old Scandinavian mother from South Dakota so they better be stopping young Pakistani and Middle Eastern people too.

If the terrorists have certain features in common, we should be checking people who share those features instead of giving them a pass while stopping older women from the Midwest.

:rolleyes2:
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musicasacra
Jul 22 2005, 05:01 PM
I hope there is an unspoken policy of profiling for terrorists.

I know they stop people like my 62-year-old Scandinavian mother from South Dakota so they better be stopping Pakistani and Middle Eastern people too.

If the terrorists have certain features in common, we should be checking people who share those features instead of giving them a pass while stopping older women from the Midwest.

:rolleyes2:

no "mother-in-law-terrorist" jokes from me -- no, sir! :D

(she is the sweetest -- I'll never be able to contribute to the mother-in-law from hell thread).
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If I was a state trooper patroling US1 anywhere between the Keys and Maine, I would look more closely at cars with young blacks that have lots of McDonalds take-out containers in the back.
If I was checking bags on the NY subways, I would especially look out for Mid-Eastern people, and make sure I check every one of their bags.

I wouldn't be doing my job otherwise.

Profiling is necessary, and it works.
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Bernard
Jul 22 2005, 05:19 PM
Exactly how many Middle Eastern people do you encounter on a daily basis 89th?

Have you lived around and with them for several years?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Probably not as many as you, but enough.

Yes, and grown up with them more than you, I'd bet.

Yes, I know what I'm talking about. When was the last time you saw a train station bombed by a non-muslim? Honestly...answer that question.

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Jul 22 2005, 08:43 PM
To think a middle eastern veneer automatically makes someone suspect borders on paranoia and indicates a level of fear that is unwarranted (but desired by the current Admininstration).

Rick, you have to be kidding.

If you were on a plane, and a 25 year old muslim sat next to you with a bag, you're going to be suspicious. I don't care what you claim, you will be. Period.

Who's "paranoid" now? :thumb:
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Do you have any idea how many people on the NY subway are middle-eastern or south asian? Even if you were determined to spend all your time searching the bags of middle easterners, you would end up letting the vast majority pass.
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Jul 23 2005, 03:58 AM
Do you have any idea how many people on the NY subway are middle-eastern or south asian? Even if you were determined to spend all your time searching the bags of middle easterners, you would end up letting the vast majority pass.

You're right. It's impossible to check all of them. I think they were trying to check every 5th person. If that's the case, then if the 5th person was a black female, and the 6th person looked mid-easter, I would check the 6th person.

I get very fascist on this subject because I live in a neighborhood with a huge mid eastern population. After 9/11 Bush should have shut off all people immigrating to the US from certain countries. I know it's unfair, letting the terrorists win, and all that happy boloney, but that what should have happened.
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The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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Jul 23 2005, 07:58 AM
Do you have any idea how many people on the NY subway are middle-eastern or south asian?

Even more reason to ignore the old ladies. :thumb:
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Sigh. I've gone round and round on this topic MANY times, and I still don't know where I stand.

Am I completely against profiling? No. A big part of police work is profiling - it's necessary. The problem is when you're talking about crime prevention, it gets a bit more fuzzy for me. For example, when I flew to MA a couple months back, two young middle eastern women and their 4 children (ranging in ages from maybe a month old to about 4) were pulled aside for additional security checks. From what I saw, the airline folks were being very polite, and the women were being very understanding - but it was pretty obvious that they were pulled out of line because they were middle eastern. I gotta think that if you're going to take a bomb on a plane, you're not going to bring your girlfriend and 4 kidlets with you. Is it totally impossible? Of course not - but profiling should be about who is most likely to be a risk, and I just didn't see these two women as being a risk.

My other problem with profiling is I think it decreases reliance on "gut instinct". Security becomes so busy with scanning the crowd for the guy in the turban and making sure they are profiling correctly that they shut off the gut instinct that tells them the white guy standing in front of them doesn't seem quite right.

Besides, there are quite a large number of Muslim folks out there who don't fit the "look". If they start to rely too heavily on profiling, all that needs to happen is a terrorist cell starts to find the folks who don't look so stereotypical.

But again - I don't know exactly where I stand on the issue.
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Jul 22 2005, 11:21 PM

When was the last time you saw a train station bombed by a non-muslim? Honestly...answer that question.

London.... Tokyo....? :shrug:
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Jul 23 2005, 06:10 PM
but it was pretty obvious that they were pulled out of line because they were middle eastern.

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I gotta think that if you're going to take a bomb on a plane, you're not going to bring your girlfriend and 4 kidlets with you.

If americans were using suicide bombs in the middle east, I would EXPECT them to treat me with extra security if I were visiting or living there.

Secondly, these extreme muslims are complete morons and insane. They would jump at the chance to use their kid as a bomb...or at least I've seen many muslim kids being used as bombs and/or being brought up to commit terror.

Why not take your kids along with you to Heaven and the 120 women waiting...or whatever it is they teach them?
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Jul 23 2005, 07:23 PM
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Jul 22 2005, 11:21 PM

When was the last time you saw a train station bombed by a non-muslim? Honestly...answer that question.

London.... Tokyo....? :shrug:

Really? When?
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Jul 24 2005, 01:22 AM
dolmansaxlil
Jul 23 2005, 06:10 PM
but it was pretty obvious that they were pulled out of line because they were middle eastern.

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I gotta think that if you're going to take a bomb on a plane, you're not going to bring your girlfriend and 4 kidlets with you.

If americans were using suicide bombs in the middle east, I would EXPECT them to treat me with extra security if I were visiting or living there.

Secondly, these extreme muslims are complete morons and insane. They would jump at the chance to use their kid as a bomb...or at least I've seen many muslim kids being used as bombs and/or being brought up to commit terror.

Why not take your kids along with you to Heaven and the 120 women waiting...or whatever it is they teach them?

But realistically, 89th, even if there is profiling, you still have to go with those you feel are highest risk. I'm just thinking that 2 20-something women and 4 kidlets making a flight from Detroit to Rhode Island aren't it :P
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I agree with ya, no worries!
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How about the IRA?

1993 London Bombing

(oops - your quote : "Really? When?" was supposed to be in there)
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