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Hey New Yorkers...
Topic Started: Jul 22 2005, 06:16 AM (296 Views)
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They'll start this in DC soon as well, but how do you feel about the random bag searching at the subway?

This is absolutely ridiculous.

1. The terrorists will know this and attack somewhere else, no big deal to them.

2. If you are stopped, all you have to do is say "I dont consent" and you can walk back out the subway freely.

3. Apparently there's no profiling going on, so if you are a 24 year old muslim or a 80 year old grandma, you have the same chance (or at least they say). This is stupid...at least define the searches to young males, or something like that. Again this is pointless because the terrorists will know who they are looking for and will recruit/use someone who doesn't look like a suspect.

4. They are winning. Yes, the terrorists are winning. When they cause us to change our way of life, cause hysteria, make life inconvenient, etc...they are winning. Searches at airports are fine because people aren't taking a plane to work. People know to leave early. But public transportation is a quick process, that can barely be monitored. Whether we like it or not, they are going to attack us where we are vulnerable. There's no point to implement STUPID random searches at the subway.

This is getting out of hand!!! :smokin:

- end rant -
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Mark
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Good post 89th!

I agree that we are letting this get out of hand.

We are good at that wouldn't you say"?
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I'm not particularly bothered by it from a civil liberties perspective, I just can't imagine that it would be effective. I think 4.9m people ride the trains every day. The vast majority are carrying a bag, briefcase, or some thing. How effective can it be?

Maybe it gives them cover to check people they view as suspicious, regardless of all this non-profiling talk, which could help.

But I suspect its pre-attack CYA by the police department. :(



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kenny
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Jul 22 2005, 06:16 AM


This is getting out of hand!


I agree with 89. :hair:
I say just ignore terrorism.

Some people will die.
Yes that sux.

But they will die regardless of the trillions we waste and the changes we make.
Terrorism is not the kind of thing you can stop.
But it is the kind of thing you can ignore.

America has a policy to not negotiate with terrorists.
That means hostages are doomed.
So be it.
Overall it takes the power away from the terrorists, thus preventing it.
So why are we spending one red cent fighting terrorism?

Terrorism sux.
It is wrong.
But it is here to stay.

Accept it.
Ignore it.
Otherwise they win.
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An option I just thought of, although I doubt it's pragmatic.

What if all the daily subway riders would each take a test, background check, and all that stuff...so that you can then carry around a license to use public transportation. Everytime you get on the train or bus you would have to show your "public transportation license" showing you're a stable person with a legitimate reason to use the metro.

Although I know that wouldn't solve the problems...so who knows.
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Wow, 89th! You sure are a parrot of Chris Core's!
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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random bag searches is a pretty meaningless activity but which is supposed to give the appearance to the public that 'something is being done."

the only way to stop terror is intelligence, meaning agents, spying, eavsdropping, that sort of thing.

i imagine its started in all cities of the world, but it takes a long time to build networks and develop the technology.

but trust me on this, big brother is monitoring phones emails chats forums and everywhere else for clues.

u'd be very surprised what is done in undisclosed rooms around the world.
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kenny
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Jul 22 2005, 06:58 AM
An option I just thought of, although I doubt it's pragmatic.

What if all the daily subway riders would each take a test, background check, and all that stuff...so that you can then carry around a license to use public transportation. Everytime you get on the train or bus you would have to show your "public transportation license" showing you're a stable person with a legitimate reason to use the metro.

Although I know that wouldn't solve the problems...so who knows.

:doh: What if I am not a stable person?
I think I forgot my crazy pill today. :blink: :wacko: :silly:
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Jul 22 2005, 11:02 AM
Wow, 89th! You sure are a parrot of Chris Core's!

No way!!!! :eek: :eek: :hair: :eek: :eek:

Please don't tell me he already thought of this!?

I actually just emailed him with the idea, to get his take. You're saying he suggested this last night?

I know he was talking about the metro situation last night, and I actually was on the air at 6:12pm-ish talking about this. Not sure if you were listening, but if you were...that was me! I've called and been on about a dozen times so he sort of knows me by now. But anyway, I stopped listening around 6:20, because...well, I was home, haha.

But yeah, I called and talked about how the random searches were stupid...basically my first post here. But I didn't know he mentioned anything about my new idea...must have talked about it after I got home. :(

I'm assuming alot...LD, so he mentioned that idea on the air yesterday?
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I'm not bothered by it though I don't think it will be very effective.
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"What if all the daily subway riders would each take a test, background check, and all that stuff...so that you can then carry around a license to use public transportation. Everytime you get on the train or bus you would have to show your "public transportation license" showing you're a stable person with a legitimate reason to use the metro."

Forget about it! :no: We're supposed to be a free country!
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Being a "free country" has nothing to do with it.
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pianojerome
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"Free country", huh?

So, forget about driver's licenses, school IDs, and passports? No laws or regulations? No police force to stop people from doing whatever they want to do?


What do we need government for? Just let everyone do whatever they want, right?




You're right, Isaac. "Free country" has nothing to do with it.

What could stop a smart terrorist from passing an integrity test and obtaining a "public transportation license?"
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So, forget about driver's licenses, school IDs, and passports?


Sam, those are the first things I thought of too! Good post. :)

Oh and I don't know what would stop a smart terrorist from passing the public transportation test. It sucks.

We shouldn't change how we live here...the only way I see to fight terrorism is to crush it at the source.
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Jul 22 2005, 06:58 AM
What if all the daily subway riders would each take a test, background check, and all that stuff...so that you can then carry around a license to use public transportation. Everytime you get on the train or bus you would have to show your "public transportation license" showing you're a stable person with a legitimate reason to use the metro.

I think all nations should unite under one powerful ruler and people should get a tatoo of a number or perhaps a name on the right hand or forehead. And if you don't have the number you can't buy or sell anything. Then we would know where each of us stand.
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I think 666 is a good number. Don't you?

I'd probably also put stock in anti-sulfur-acid-lake suits. :whome:
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