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| Snape the all powerful?; SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!!! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 21 2005, 05:31 PM (262 Views) | |
| jgoo | Jul 21 2005, 05:31 PM Post #1 |
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My inspiration for this thread comes from a few different places, including another forum I post on, as well as the Harry Potter Lexicon, and of course straight from the books themselves. Okay, so, for one thing, Snape is a master of occulmency. We still don't know which side he's truly playing for, but he was obviously trusted by both sides. Dumbledore put a lot of trust into Snape, and obviously Voldemort trusts him too. This means that either way, Snape successfully outsmarted a very, very powerful wizard (either Dumbledore or Voldemort). Also, Snape did something that nobody else could do, not even Voldemort himself. He killed Albus Dumbledore. Dumbledore was in a very weak state, he was very old, he was wandless, but when it comes right down to it, it was still Snape who got him in the end. Of course, this could have all been part of the plan. Dumbledore could have been pleading with Snape to kill him. But that doesn't change the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore. Snape is also very advanced in the dark arts. He made up his own curses! It seems to me that making up your own curses would take a lot of magic and energy, otherwise wouldn't people be making them up every time they turned around? (I wonder if Dumbledore invented any spells other than how to communicate with a patronus. I bet Voldemort's come up with some, specifically dark magic, as well). So if Snape is on the side of good, perhaps he's the next Dumbledore, and if on the side of bad, the next Voldemort? |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 22 2005, 04:42 AM Post #2 |
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It seems to me that James should have let Lupin eat him when they were at school
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 22 2005, 06:24 AM Post #3 |
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| Nina | Jul 24 2005, 05:24 AM Post #4 |
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OK, here's what's getting me. At the end when Malfoy was freaking out about killing Dumbledore, all the others were saying,"No, Draco must do it!" And throughout the book, we kept reading about how Malfoy was on a big mission, worried, etc. Yet it was Snape who ultimately offed Dumbledore? And then at the funeral, there was the obscuring fire, and Dumbledore's body was replaced by the white tomb. We didn't actually see the body get buried, and of course Snape wasn't there with the mourners. I think Snape did something sneaky and Dumbledore isn't really dead. Voldemort apparently wanted Malfoy to kill him, but he didn't... so Snape "killed" him quickly (but not really). He could also have been on the grounds during the funeral and did something then to secure Dumbledore's body. Or maybe I"m just so fond of Dumbledore that I can't actually accept the truth... |
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| jgoo | Jul 24 2005, 03:47 PM Post #5 |
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Nina, I don't think that Dumbledore's death was a hoax. I believe that he really is dead (as much as I hate to admit that). I always knew that Dumbledore was going to die, but I NEVER imagined that it would be before book 7. I always thought that he'd die sometime in the middle of book 7. Did anyone else notice though, that Dumbledore didn't die right away? Or at least it didn't seem like he did, anyway. Just goes to show how powerful a wizard he truly was, in that he didn't die right away. He remained suspended in midair for a few seconds before beginning his fall off the astronomy tower! Harry didn't feel the bodybind lift from him until this time either. Remember, he screamed in horror at first but made no sound, right after Dumbledore got hit with the AK. It should have killed him instantly, like it did with Cedric, but it didn't. Okay, and then, evidence for the possibility of him still being alive, what was the thing that Harry saw shoot from him before the white tomb appeared? Harry thought that it looked like a phoenix. Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix, as well as his animagus form (so says JKR). Could it have been either? Or maybe it was his soul leaving his body? Or maybe it was fawkes? (I wonder what happened to fawkes anyway). Now, on to evidence for his death: got hit with Avada Kedavra, his portrait appeared in his office (something that must only happen upon death, though mysteriously, it remained dead silent when they were in the office. I thought for sure that someone would try to communicate with it, or that he'd say something!), Fawkes cried for him (again, what happened to Fawkes? Why did he just leave? Do you think we'll see him agian? We must, he likes Harry, and Harry has always been very loyal to Dumbledore). Speaking of loyalty for Dumbledore, "you will find that I will only truly have left this school when none here are loyal to me." He said that in COS, and that very same quote was brought up again in HBP after his death! There are loads of people there still loyal to Dumbledore! Just look at the turnout to his funeral. Even the centaurs and the merpeople were there! And Harry, possibly the most loyal of all to Dumbledore in recent years. As the book said, he's "Dumbledore's man, through and through." |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 24 2005, 03:54 PM Post #6 |
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Evidence that he's still alive is in the paragraph right above you! Not that I think he is, I think he's toast, but I do see lot's of ways around it. |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 25 2005, 12:19 AM Post #7 |
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About the portrait, maybe the soul needs time to recover before the body can be represented in this life; I'm thinking of the three days after the Crucifixion where Jesus was in Hell saving the souls, so essenitally He wasn't anywhere in Heaven or Earth. I know that HP is not supposed to be representative of the Bible or of anything in particular, but JKR may have used the same principles. I hope Fawkes pops up again. I remember reading something JKR said in an interview about him though; Dumbledore got him from somewhere else, so he didn't actually belong to him. I think he'll just move on. I wonder if Fawkes chooses the person or if the person chooses him. Maybe it will be Harry. |
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| Nina | Jul 25 2005, 11:30 AM Post #8 |
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The legend of the Phoenix is that of a bird that rises anew from the ashes... If the Phoenix is Dumbledore's patronus and/or animagus, how fitting! I think Dumbledore will rise again from the ashes as well. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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