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| Harry Potter thread - Spoilers inside!!!!!; Warning Warning - spoilers!!!! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 19 2005, 11:30 AM (259 Views) | |
| Jeffrey | Jul 19 2005, 11:30 AM Post #1 |
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I have a theory about Snape, but only want to discuss it with people who have already read to the end. I'll wait a bit of time before posting. |
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| jgoo | Jul 19 2005, 12:14 PM Post #2 |
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MAJOR SPOILERS ALERT!!! DO NOT READ ON IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE BOOK!!!!! I've given Snape much thought. My initial thought, of course, is that he's evil, and always has been. However, now I'm just as torn as ever wondering if he's good or bad. Was his murder of Dumbledore all a part of the over plan? Did Dumbledore instruct Snape to kill him if he must? Was there a silent conversation going on between the two before Snape AKed him to death via legilimens? |
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| Jeffrey | Jul 19 2005, 12:22 PM Post #3 |
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Spoilers Spoilers. DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE READ THE BOOK!!!!!!!! I think Snape will betray Voldemort at the final battle. I was shocked at the AK curse initially. But it is too easy for Snape to be evil, and not an OoTP double agent sent to fool Voldemort. Too easy because Snape Vowed early on to N and B to help Draco. If that was the whole story, it is too easy. Rowling would never give things away that easily. If Snape is evil, then why allow Potter to keep using his Potions manual? Why did Dumbledore go into battle after having drunk the posion in the Cave? Is he stupid? Why immobilize Harry? I think Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him. Remember Snape saying to Harry "I am not a coward!!!" I think he is a double agent. Dumbledore trusted Snape, and I believe Dumbledore. Rowling never breaks a pattern. The DoDA professor *always* has problems. It's a running joke. The other pattern: Harry doubts Snape, but then realizes that it is more complex than he thought, and is wrong. I think this will be the pattern again. Snape may be a double agent, or he may be conflicted. But he will betray Voldemort in the final battle. I wager a beer on it!! |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 19 2005, 01:23 PM Post #4 |
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SPOILERS!! I'm torn. I'm not sure I can go with the idea of Snape still being on Dumbledore's side because he took the unbreakable oath, and he did, after all, kill Dumbledore. There is one scenario under which I can buy that - and that's Dumbledore actually WANTING to die once he had given Harry the tools he needed to kill Dumbledore. Remember in Philosopher's Stone, Dumbledore tells Harry that to people who have lived a very long time, death is like going to sleep after a very, very long day. Perhaps it's a clue. There's also all the times that Dumbledore allowed Harry to do dangerous things - and I'm assuming it was all in preparation for what he knew would have to happen - Harry facing Voldemort alone. For example, showing him how to use the Mirror of Erised in PS. Dumbledore has obviously spent 6 years setting up Harry to be able to kill Voldemort himself. But why would Dumbledore ok Snape's use of the oath, knowing that it might allow DE members into the school to kill unsuspecting students? There are holes there. I think it's plausible that Snape has actually been working for Voldemort, but will end up helping Harry in the final battle - out of guilt, perhaps. I don't know - the whole Snape/Dumbledore trust thing confused me. She's said that Dumbledore is also and occlumens (sp?) so he should have been able to either read Snape's thoughts, or at the very least tell when he was closing his mind to him. It's hard to imagine Dumbledore making THAT big an error. |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jul 20 2005, 02:27 AM Post #5 |
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Could Snape owe Harry a debt because James saved his life? (PoA with the Whomping Willow and Lupin the werewolf.) Snape did make out that James was being stupid and he would have been in a lot of trouble, amongst being a murderer, had he not gotten "cold feet" at the end of it, but Dumbledore said that James had risked his own life to save Snape, which must pass on some amount of debt (and at this point I can't help thinking of the debt that Wormtail owes Harry; where will that come in?) so could that debt to James have been passed on to his son? This might be another reason for Snape to not succumb to Voldemort's evil. |
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 20 2005, 06:08 AM Post #6 |
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I wondered that, as well, Sarah - though in PoA, Snape seemed pretty satisfied that he "saved" Harry from Sirius. And of course, in PS Snape saved Harry from being thrown from his cursed broom. I wonder if Snape considers the debt paid? Wormtail, on the other hand, is far more interesting in this regard, because Harry didn't only risk his life for him - HE made the decision to save him. I believe Dumbledore even mentions it at some point after it happens. I'd bet on that coming into play in the next book. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jul 21 2005, 06:50 AM Post #7 |
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Dumbledore definitely mentioned the debt that Wormtail owes Harry. Something I'm curious about was the fierce look of triumph on Dumbledores face when Harry told him that V had used Harry's blood in the spell that restored V to strength. |
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