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Where's the outrage?; question to you conservatives
Topic Started: Jul 18 2005, 12:38 PM (714 Views)
Larry
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I am waiting for all of the right wing Christian religious leaders in this country to condemn him for what he is.

After all, we keep hearing that Islam is a dangerous religion because their leaders never condemn Islamic terrorists loud enough.

So, where is the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention's condemnation of its terrorists?


Of course, *all* Christian leaders are right wing except those in your denomination, right? More specifically, those in your denomination who live in California, since from what I've seen your bigotry is not limited to just other denominations, but whole sections of the country.

To answer your question though, I would imagine their condemnation is right there beside the one *your* denomination delivered. Oh - they didn't deliver one either?

Just because the Baptists didn't hold a press conference and denounce Rudolph's actions doesn't mean they condone his actions any more than the fact that *your* denomination's lack of a press conference to condemn him means *they* condone it. But it sure did give you a thrill taking your opportunity to smear and belittle the Baptists, didn't it?

Seeing as how I live in that region of the country that you consider nothing more than a bunch of ignorant redneck hick hillbilly bible thumping fanatics, I can tell you that in fact the Baptist Church *did* publicly denounce his actions, and are very clear that while they do not support abortion, neither do they support violence against abortion clinics. Maybe if you spent more time actually learning about other Christian denominations instead of spouting your bigotted religious superiority you'd have known all that already.

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Rick Zimmer
Jul 18 2005, 07:16 PM
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jon-nyc
Jul 18 2005, 01:38 PM
FOXNews and other news organizations are REFUSING to use the word TERRORIST to describe Eric Rudolph.


Where's the outrage?   Come on, folks, bring it on!

Actually, I don't care so much about the press. I am waiting for all of the right wing Christian religious leaders in this country to condemn him for what he is.

After all, we keep hearing that Islam is a dangerous religion because their leaders never condemn Islamic terrorists loud enough.

So, where is the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention's condemnation of its terrorists?

Again, I'm not defending Rudolph at all, I think he is evil.

I think why people might be more hesitant to point the "terrorist" finger at Rudolph as opposed to Bin Laden, is because Rudolph was killing people who kill humans.

Bin Laden is killing innocent victims who are guilty by association, not by reality.

You mean the Southern Baptist Convention would not deem him a terrorist because he killed those providing abortions?

Fascinating distinction.

I think I'll check my Gospels and see just where this distinction is.

Did I say that? No.

While you're reading up on your Gospels...you might want to read my post again as well.

I said people might be more hesitant to label Rudolph a terrorist as opposed to Bin Laden, since Laden kills completely innocent people...and Rudolph killed people who were committing abortions - something a little more evil than innocent people, whether you like it or not.
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From CNN: "In an extensive statement before his sentencing, Rudolph said the bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion, "the homosexual agenda" and the U.S. government.

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In a statement in April, Rudolph said he targeted the Olympics "to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand."

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In his statement, Rudolph described gay rights as "a direct assault on the long-term health and integrity of civilization."


Now where else have we heard this about gay rights? The common criticism of Muslims in, say, Saudi Arabia, is that they agree with Bin Laden's sentiments, but just don't want to take action.
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Jeff, it's not about taking action. It's about WHEN to take action.

Obviously this Rudolph guy is out of his mind, there's no question there. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

There are anomic sociopaths all around us incessantly pushing their ideology of idiocy...all while representing a small minority of Christian extremists, Muslim extremists, et cetera. Sure, their stain is conspicuous...but I think the best remedy is a grain of salt. ;)

This guy'll be yesterday's news, tomorrow.
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Larry
Jul 18 2005, 05:34 PM
RZ writes:

Just because the Baptists didn't hold a press conference and denounce Rudolph's actions doesn't mean they condone his actions any more than the fact that *your* denomination's lack of a press conference to condemn him means *they* condone it.

Let us remember this, Larry, the next time there is an Islamic terrorist attack and let's hold the leaders of Islam to the same standard. Just because they do not denounce the terrorism does not mean they condone it.

(Oh, and BTW, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops did denounce this and denounced each of the Rudolph bombings, denounced the guy who was convicted for murdering the doctor who performed abortions while many Southern Baptist leaders were arguing he should nto get the death penalty and have demounced virtually all acts of violence against women's clinics where abortions are performed. Not a good parallel, Larry).
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Jul 18 2005, 05:48 PM
I said people might be more hesitant to label Rudolph a terrorist as opposed to Bin Laden, since Laden kills completely innocent people...and Rudolph killed people who were committing abortions - something a little more evil than innocent people, whether you like it or not.

How can anyone be hesitant about calling someone who murders innocent people with bombs a terrorist? The only reason they might be hesitant is because they have to decide if they really do want to condemn this guy.

What's to decide? Why hesitate?

It says a lot about their mindset that they would hesitate for even a moment.

And if you can understasnd why they might hesitate, it says a lot about yours as well.
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Larry
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Let us remember this, Larry, the next time there is an Islamic terrorist attack and let's hold the leaders of Islam to the same standard. Just because they do not denounce the terrorism does not mean they condone it.

You didn't pay attention. I stated that the Baptists did in fact publicly denounce Rudolph's actions. I was not addressing a failure to take a stand by the Baptist church, I was addressing your religious and regional bigotry.

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Larry
Jul 18 2005, 10:32 PM
Let us remember this, Larry, the next time there is an Islamic terrorist attack and let's hold the leaders of Islam to the same standard. Just because they do not denounce the terrorism does not mean they condone it.

You didn't pay attention. I stated that the Baptists did in fact publicly denounce Rudolph's actions. I was not addressing a failure to take a stand by the Baptist church, I was addressing your religious and regional bigotry.

I stand corrected, Larry.

So, then let's remember this and use THIS as the standard for judging the leaders of Islam.

Since many of the Islamic leaders condemned terrorism after 9/11, again after Bali, again after Madrid and again after London, they seem to have done their part.

Even though once is apparently all that is needed based on the "Rudolph Standard", they have done it numerous times. Next time, let's give them a rest and not expect any more condemnations out of them, OK?
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Jul 19 2005, 01:21 AM
How can anyone be hesitant about calling someone who murders innocent people with bombs a terrorist?

Would you be hesitant to call me a terrorist if I killed the man who was trying to drown babies?
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if u did it by planting a bomb in a public place, i would have no hesitation.
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What if I planted a bomb in the public pool, but it only hurt those involved in the murder? (The murderer, the guard, the assistant, etc...)
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oh so u have invented a bomb which only kills certain people and leaves others protected.

maybe u should patent it, sounds useful.
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i hope no one is defending that whacko...

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Rick Zimmer
Jul 18 2005, 09:47 PM
Larry
Jul 18 2005, 10:32 PM
Let us remember this, Larry, the next time there is an Islamic terrorist attack and let's hold the leaders of Islam to the same standard. Just because they do not denounce the terrorism does not mean they condone it.

You didn't pay attention. I stated that the Baptists did in fact publicly denounce Rudolph's actions. I was not addressing a failure to take a stand by the Baptist church, I was addressing your religious and regional bigotry.

I stand corrected, Larry.

So, then let's remember this and use THIS as the standard for judging the leaders of Islam.

Since many of the Islamic leaders condemned terrorism after 9/11, again after Bali, again after Madrid and again after London, they seem to have done their part.

Even though once is apparently all that is needed based on the "Rudolph Standard", they have done it numerous times. Next time, let's give them a rest and not expect any more condemnations out of them, OK?

Ya know, I really don't remember Southern Baptists dancing in the streets, uvulating to the heavens, and endangering the avian population with automatic weapons everytime an abortion clinic was bombed.

I do remember that occurring with regular frequency in the Muslim world after 9/11. In fact, were there not more than one Muslim cleric, preaching death to the infidels for years, that rejoiced in over 3000 people dying in the flames and the smoke of the WTC attack?

Yeah, Rudolph is nuts, but to equate a few million of your fellow citizens with the nutjobs of the fanatical Muslim world is not only intellectual dishonesty, it's a personal travesty, and bespeaks of how much you think of your fellow Americans.
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Where is the evidence that the news is REFUSING to call Rudolph a terrorist (a monicker he has clearly earned)?

It would appear they are not calling him a terrorist. Not DOING something does not constitute REFUSING to do something.

Who is calling for Rudolph to be branded a terrorist? As far as I can see there is no reason for anyone to be outraged. Disappointed perhaps, but not outraged. What to call him is simply an editorial position.

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Jul 19 2005, 09:45 AM
What if I planted a bomb in the public pool, but it only hurt those involved in the murder? (The murderer, the guard, the assistant, etc...)

Don't even go there, 89th. What you are talking about is vigilante murder. The actual damage to the common good is every bit as serious and sinful as the murder of the innocents in the abortuaries.
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jon-nyc
Jul 18 2005, 12:38 PM
FOXNews and other news organizations are REFUSING to use the word TERRORIST to describe Eric Rudolph.


Where's the outrage? Come on, folks, bring it on!

He has been found guilty by a court of his peers for murder. He has not been found guilty of terrorism. He is a murderer, and I am glad he was caught and will be locked up for life.

What more do you want? Tar and feather him? Put him in the public sotck for abuse? Have him drawn and quartered and his head put on a pike at the city gates?

What do the magic words "terrorist" do for you?

Where was your outrage when pro-lifers were prosecuted and imprisoned under the RICO act?

Really, Jon, justice has been served -- get on with your life.
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bachophile
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thanks IT.

put some sense into him.
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bachophile
Jul 19 2005, 01:56 PM
oh so u have invented a bomb which only kills certain people and leaves others protected.

maybe u should patent it, sounds useful.

If I planted a bomb on a street, yes it would be public.

But if I planted it only when Bin Laden or Rudolph would be standing there...kinda takes that whole "public" thing down a couple notches...eh? ;)
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Jul 19 2005, 02:17 PM
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Jul 19 2005, 09:45 AM
What if I planted a bomb in the public pool, but it only hurt those involved in the murder? (The murderer, the guard, the assistant, etc...)

Don't even go there, 89th. What you are talking about is vigilante murder. The actual damage to the common good is every bit as serious and sinful as the murder of the innocents in the abortuaries.

I agree...my only point was that people in general might be a little more hesitant to condemn a vigilante as opposed to a Bin Laden-esque terrorist killing innocent people.
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