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Topic Started: Jul 18 2005, 08:59 AM (354 Views)
pianojerome
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gelatin: A colorless or slightly yellow, transparent, brittle protein formed by boiling the specially prepared skin, bones, and connective tissue of animals and used in foods, drugs, and photographic film.


Do you eat products containing gelatin (e.g. jello, fruit snacks, gummy bears)?
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Does eating a gummy bear with a glass of milk violate the kosher laws?
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Well Jell-O, at least, is considered kosher.
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Dwain Lee
Jul 18 2005, 09:56 AM
Well Jell-O, at least, is considered kosher.

With milk or whipped cream?



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What is kosher gelatine?

What is kosher gelatine?

from the Vegetarian Resource Group:
Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. Contrary to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used in gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of pareve refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people assume this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve certified ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and gelatin, in them.
"Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve'," an article that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A quote from the article is as follows:
"...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products."


So just call it parveve and it is no longer meat? But from m-w.com:

Main Entry: pa·re·ve
Pronunciation: 'pär-(&-)v&
Function: adjective
Etymology: Yiddish parev
: made without milk, meat, or their derivatives <pareve margarine> -- compare FLEISHIG, MILCHIG

Bach or Jeff -- you wanna explain this to the goyim?
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pianojerome
Jul 18 2005, 08:59 AM
gelatin: A colorless or slightly yellow, transparent, brittle protein formed by boiling the specially prepared skin, bones, and connective tissue of animals and used in foods, drugs, and photographic film.

..and used in foods..

..gummy bears..

:eek: :eek: :puke: :puke:

I am never having gummy bears again. But..but.. I love jelly babies, I can't live without those!

By the way, it's jelly. :veryangry: JELLY! :veryangry:

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on the same note, cow udder, while being meat saturated in cows milk, is also completly kosher.

go figure.

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bachophile
Jul 18 2005, 11:00 AM
on the same note, cow udder, while being meat saturated in cows milk, is also completly kosher.

go figure.


Is the kosher law more voluminous than the US Tax Code? :)

And do YOU actually eat cow udder? Any good recipes you might share? Jodi and Apple might really enjoy trying something new.

(Though I assume you can't eat cow udder with a glass of milk, right?)
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Jul 18 2005, 11:14 AM
bachophile
Jul 18 2005, 11:00 AM
on the same note, cow udder, while being meat saturated in cows milk, is also completly kosher.

go figure.


Is the kosher law more voluminous than the US Tax Code? :)

And do YOU actually eat cow udder? Any good recipes you might share? Jodi and Apple might really enjoy trying something new.

(Though I assume you can't eat cow udder with a glass of milk, right?)

You could drink it like coconut milk.. Posted Image
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Jul 18 2005, 01:59 PM
Dwain Lee
Jul 18 2005, 09:56 AM
Well Jell-O, at least, is considered kosher.

With milk or whipped cream?



Quote:
 
What is kosher gelatine?

What is kosher gelatine?

from the Vegetarian Resource Group:
Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. Contrary to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used in gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of pareve refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people assume this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve certified ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and gelatin, in them.
"Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve'," an article that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A quote from the article is as follows:
"...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products."


So just call it parveve and it is no longer meat? But from m-w.com:

Main Entry: pa·re·ve
Pronunciation: 'pär-(&-)v&
Function: adjective
Etymology: Yiddish parev
: made without milk, meat, or their derivatives <pareve margarine> -- compare FLEISHIG, MILCHIG

Bach or Jeff -- you wanna explain this to the goyim?

Hmmm...

There's a "Kashrus Magazine"? Wowzers.

Fish are not considered meat. I don't know why, but that's the way it is. Neither are grasshoppers. You can have chocolate covered grasshoppers (with a glass of milk).


Now, suppose the bag of gummy bears doesn't have an OU or a K or any other kashrut symbol. The ingrediants list includes gelatin and "natural flavors." How do I know this gelatin didn't come from boiled pork bones?


My parents asked the rabbi at a (conservative) congregation we were members of about 15 years ago, and his response was something like this:

1) If the gelatin is in there as a preservative to make the food stick together, then it is okay (even if the bag is not labeled with a kashrut symbol).
2) If the gelatin is in there to add flavor, then it is not okay (especially if the bag is not labeled with a kashrut symbol).

Personally, I don't quite buy this argument. But apparantly this is something the conservative movement has agreed upon (or that this particular rabbi has attributed to the whole movement).
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I try not to eat anything with gelatin as a rule...
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And do YOU actually eat cow udder


well actually i did once, grilled, in a small restaraunt in tiberius.

it was strange. but worth a try.
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