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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 15 2005, 07:59 AM (327 Views) | |
| Jolly | Jul 15 2005, 07:59 AM Post #1 |
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Of course, we're probably ten years behind everybody else, but something that has really taken off here in the last year, or so: Small houses, built on a central lot, most often under a shed, that are then moved to the customer's land, and set up. We've always had a little bit of activity in stuff like this, but lately it's much more. Friends tell me it is because the banks are much more likely to finance this type of construction with the owner's land as collateral, than either mobile homes, or modular type housing. So, think along the lines of a 1200 sq ft cottage-to-go. Is this common in other places? |
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| apple | Jul 15 2005, 08:17 AM Post #2 |
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double wides? (doesn't seem to common here.. altho we are thinking of actually moving a house over 10 feet due to city construction). |
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| Jolly | Jul 15 2005, 08:56 AM Post #3 |
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These are not double-wides. They are stick-framed houses, 2x4 walls, 2x6 floor joists, 2x6 rafters. Most are wrapped in OSB, then insulation, and finally a vinyl siding. Soffits, etc, are also in vinyl siding. Floors are 5/4 plywood. Like I said, think cottage, with cottage type styling. Would be right at home in an older neighborhood, with a white picket fence. These are not trailer houses. |
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| apple | Jul 15 2005, 10:02 AM Post #4 |
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just teasing.. I know a great country song about double wides |
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| Fizzygirl | Jul 15 2005, 12:37 PM Post #5 |
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Interesting concept......stick built, but modular.....sort of. I have not seen anything like that around here. Do you have any photos? |
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| Jolly | Jul 15 2005, 01:12 PM Post #6 |
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Something like this, or just a smidgen bigger: http://www.architecturaldesigns.com/cottag...lan-21093dr.asp |
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| Fizzygirl | Jul 15 2005, 01:39 PM Post #7 |
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Very sweet! I love cottage style homes. I wonder what the building cost would be, outside of the lot, of course. |
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| Jolly | Jul 15 2005, 01:47 PM Post #8 |
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I don't know....the land it sits own would be a huge factor...down here, you could easily pick up an acre or so for 6-10K, and utilities and septic would set you back another 4-5K. I would think that the actual cost of the building would be comparable across the country, as long as the materials used were approximately the same...I know labor would be much higher in some markets, but we're not talking huge house and long build times....so I wouldn't think that would vary more than a few thousand. So Steve, if you bounce through this one, what is the approximate cost to build per square foot, assuming contractor grade appliances, fixtures, off-the-rack cabinetry, FHA level flooring and no fancy woodwork or trim detail? |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 15 2005, 02:33 PM Post #9 |
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I own a few lots in Cherokee Village, Arkansas, and was wondering what to do with them. Kit houses might make a lot of sense -- do you know what these go for? Also, Sears Roebucks used to sell kit houses -- today they are quite collectible: ![]() ![]()
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| Steve Miller | Jul 15 2005, 05:57 PM Post #10 |
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I don't build houses, so I don't keep up with those figures. I used to get a builders magazine that would tell the $/foot of the projects they reported on, but I don't any more. Maybe Dwain keeps up with this sort of data. I've never seen a kit house out here. They do a lot of modularizing (plumbing, cabinets, HVAC systems) when they build tracts, but the walls are always stick-built. This may have to do with earthquake requirements as much as anything, but I don't know for sure. Thinking about it, I can't see where factory-building the walls would really save all that much. Now that everyone uses nail guns, factories can't be all that much faster and the cost of trucking has to be considered. You still need to assemble it on site, and being as we use stucco out here almost exclusively, we wouldn't get the advantage of factory installed siding. There is another big savings missing too, when you compare a kit house to a mobilehome. That's the difference in building standards for mobile homes (HUD, HCD) and the more strict codes used for site-built homes. I wonder if the builder you know has found a way to build a modular/stick house but got it qualified to build under HUD codes? |
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| Dewey | Jul 15 2005, 07:05 PM Post #11 |
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Steve (IT), a couple of years ago, I almost succeeded in pulling together a group to develop a small, 16-home cluster-type conservation development, consisting entirely of homes that were updated versions (think virtually untouched exteriors, but interiors brought up to current codes and spatial preferences) of Honor-Bilt and Aladdin pre-cut Craftsman style bungalows. In fact, the "Vallonia" that you posted was one of the actual models that would have been modified for use. They would have been modified at the rear to incorporate just a skosh more living space and a rear-attached garage, accessed via a side drive from the front street. They were all to be built on small "city-sized" lots as most of the originals were, but the development included lots of common and natural preservation space, with a net density of 1 dwelling unit per acre (this development type, and density, is the norm for development in the township we live in). We came close, but the deal fell apart when we couldn't secure the parcel of land we wanted for it. Oh well, maybe some day, on another parcel.
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| LadyElton | Jul 15 2005, 08:09 PM Post #12 |
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Around here, we are getting developments of townhouses. A friend of my family is moving into one at a local country club. These huge homes prolly go for half a million. This area seems to be going through a population boom. |
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| Fizzygirl | Jul 15 2005, 10:21 PM Post #13 |
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It would cost a bit more here. An acre of land goes for about $130,000 and up unless it is located in a very unpopulated part of the state. Then probably more like $45-80,000. Still a very interesting concept in housing. |
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| Jolly | Jul 18 2005, 07:34 AM Post #14 |
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The houses I'm talking about are not built as kits. They are built on the builder's lot, or within a building, and then trucked to their final destination, and set on piers. I guess that is why they pretty much stick to cottages, since they are probably confined to a certain size "footprint" going down the highway. |
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| big al | Jul 18 2005, 09:40 AM Post #15 |
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Jolly: There is something like what I think you are describing that has been a minor part of the housing market in this region for quite a few years. Most of the houses are built in two halves which are joined together on the final site. They are similar in size to a double-wide trailer but are conventionally framed houses, generally with low roof pitches to keep within highway clearances and generally 12 feet wide to allow road transport without a lot of paperwork and cost. The siding on the split ends, roof ridge shingles, and utility connections between the halves are completed after the halves are joined at site. There are also more elaborate models displayed at some sales sites but I have never investigated how they are assembled. Here is a website (limited info) for one such company that has been around awhile: http://www.422homes.com/index.htm At least one major residential developer in this area prefabs the walls, floors, etc. in a factory and brings them to site as larger panels to be erected and joined rather than building them on-site. More air to truck from factory to site, but maybe better dimensional control building in framing jigs in the factory. Big Al |
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| Dewey | Jul 18 2005, 09:50 AM Post #16 |
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I know this isn't what you mean, either, Jolly, but I still think they're cool - and an export from right here in Columbustown: http://www.oldhouseweb.com/stories/Detailed/12270.shtml |
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| big al | Jul 18 2005, 11:11 AM Post #17 |
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Thanks for the link, Dwain. One of these houses still exists in the west end of Steubenville, Ohio. I remember riding by it as a child and thinking it looked like nothing else around it. I worked in a building that used enameled steel panels as an architectural element around the building at the window level on each floor. The balance of the walls were brick veneer. The panels were a gray mottled color and, unless you rapped on them, appeared like a gray granite or similar stone. They were essentially maintenance-free provided the anchorages did not corrode or they were hit with a hard object. I've wondered what their source was and if very many other buildings ever used them. Is there a reference to historical building finishes accessable to a layman? The history of stone, wood, and brick may be lost in antiquity, but things like terra cota, cast iron, stainless steel and aluminum, vinyl, the fore-mentioned enameled steel and other buiding trims and finishes probably are an interesting story. Big Al |
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Oh well, maybe some day, on another parcel.
8:55 AM Jul 13