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| Stop Dissing Islam to get back at Yhabpo | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 14 2005, 09:11 PM (911 Views) | |
| Amanda | Jul 14 2005, 09:11 PM Post #1 |
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What the hell is this? Just picture someone “rational” popping in here and examining the menu… Next thing you know, you’re going to get drop-in members from White Supremacy Groups and the KKK, thinking they’ve found kindred spirits. This is the kind of lynch ‘im attitude that leads to all kinds of stupid hothead crimes of revenge. Larry and others have already said what they’d do to yhabpo if they met up with him or her in person. Yhabpo isn't even Muslim. Muslims are very serious about their beliefs and ideological purity. Ever hear of the Sha’aria? Well, Muslims believe devoutly in the holiness of Jesus, a prophet second only to Mohammed. They also believe not only in the virginity of Mary but in her PERPETUAL virginity, calling her Al-Batul, “the Virgin”. This is a subject of debate even among Christians (refer Scriptural references to Jesus’s familial brothers) . Obviously, this individual, yhabpo, is baiting you. But the titles s/he posted would be offensive to Muslims too, as would the links. Have you looked at them? They come from atheist and mystical web-sites - one run by a thirtiesh woman with some kind of cult around herself. Yhabpo has said s/he is an atheist. S/He posts from sites all over the place whose very names clearly show their purpose is to mock Christians – and belief in God. Being anti-Western (supposedly) doesn’t equate to being Muslim. To get back at yhapho, as mindlessly as a dog snapping at a plate glass window with a cat behind it, you – Larry – have resorted to defaming a whole religion and culture, publicly on the Board. Israeli settlers in Gaza, were just arrested by the Israeli government for painting “Mohammed is a pig” on the side of a vacant house. It was an attempt to derail the pull-out there (and sure enough it DID start a riot). Well, I don’t want to affiliate with your rabid hate graffiti. I think YOU ought to go and delete YOUR offensive titles. They defile this Forum and all its members – and they sure don’t hit your target. They’re disgraceful and STOOPID. Figure you just slopped another dozen wet sponges on your own face… Or worse. |
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[size=5] We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.[/size] "Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005 | |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2005, 09:19 PM Post #2 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. You're Jewish - one of the first people that will be lined up and shot if they had the chance. To get back at yhapho, as mindlessly as a dog snapping at a plate glass window with a cat behind it, you – Larry – have resorted to defaming a whole religion and culture, publicly on the Board. I'm not "getting back" at anyone. I have posted some very well documented facts about Mohammed and the religion of Islam. Your pie in the sky betty boop view of Islam is laid waste by these facts. Instead of ragging me, why don't you go read the articles and learn something? I think YOU ought to go and delete YOUR offensive titles. They defile this Forum and all its members – and they sure don’t hit your target. They’re disgraceful and STOOPID. Excuse me - I don't believe I recall you taking offense to thread titles stuck in your face about Jesus being a bastard, so pardon me if I don't pay a damn bit of attention to your warped whining now. You can't have it both ways, lady. |
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| gryphon | Jul 14 2005, 09:20 PM Post #3 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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You need to be brutally reeducated, Amanda. |
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| Amanda | Jul 16 2005, 04:35 AM Post #4 |
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It’s so kind of you and the new Missus, but I’m afraid I won’t be able to make it to your famous Christmas party... |
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[size=5] We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.[/size] "Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005 | |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2005, 05:18 AM Post #5 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Instead of addressing that, why don't you address the last sentence in my post? |
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| pianojerome | Jul 16 2005, 06:27 AM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Larry, I think the reason people are upset with you is because of your timing. 1. Alberta Crude jokingly posts a thread entitled "Was Mohammed a Pot Head?" 2. Nobody really comments on it, because we all know he's just kidding 3. Yhabpo is highly offended, and posts a retaliatory, malicious thread: "Was Jesus a Bastard?" 4. Everyone is highly offended by this obviously malicious thread, and says so in several pages of comments. 5. Yhabpo appologizes, and says that he won't let our posts about Mohammed get to him, but we shouldn't post them again 6. Some people accept his appology and try to learn more about him and why he posts as he does 7. Larry tries to block others from accpeting the appologies and insults yhabpo 8. Larry proceeds to post a series of articles calling Mohammed all sorts of awful things You see, Larry? What else could it be but retaliation? You're upset that people didn't ban Yhabpo for his offensive thread, so now you're posting all of your *perhaps truthful* malicious threads to get back at him, and to get back at the rest of us for not having deleted Yhabpo's threads. Or maybe your timing is just awful. Maybe you would have posted all of these articles anyway, even if Yhabpo hadn't posted his about Jesus. But the timing - and the motivation that it implies - is why people are upset with you. (I think some people are also highly offended by the articles themselves.) |
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| Mark | Jul 16 2005, 06:28 AM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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LOL! All socialists need to be brutally reeducated! |
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| bachophile | Jul 16 2005, 06:32 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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hey guys, i think the best thing would be to ignore him he is reading the larry/amanda interchange and pissing in his pants with laughter. lets not give him the satisfatction. |
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| pianojerome | Jul 16 2005, 06:33 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I agree. (I just had to write that post. But I'm done now.) |
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| M&M's | Jul 16 2005, 06:34 AM Post #10 |
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Your wasting your breath. Everyone has been told about a thousand times to ignore him, but they continue.
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| apple | Jul 16 2005, 06:36 AM Post #11 |
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take heart Yhapbo.. apparently you are 'good for business'. |
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| tcmod | Jul 16 2005, 07:00 AM Post #12 |
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What does it matter why Larry has decided to post these threads? Just like Y, he has the right. Christians would find Y's posts offensive and Muslims find Larrys offensive. There is no reason one group should be omitted from the mud slinging. No protection for any religion. Hold them all up to scrutiny. Every scream for Larry to remove his posts had better be matched by one to Y to remove his. Let's not have a double standard here. Clearly Y is pissed off at the west and Christianity and Larry is pissed at Y and Mohammed. Let them battle it out. |
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| M&M's | Jul 16 2005, 07:03 AM Post #13 |
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Nah, I'm a christian and I find Larry's posts offensive. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 16 2005, 07:29 AM Post #14 |
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You're right I was playing silly bugger. But your chronology is all wrong. I decided to play silly bugger only after yhabpo posted his now infamous bastard thread. Like Amanda, I too don't believe yhabpo is a Muslim. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 16 2005, 07:33 AM Post #15 |
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Fulla-Carp
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As am I and so do I. |
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| tcmod | Jul 16 2005, 08:23 AM Post #16 |
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I should say that I am a Christian and am not in the least bit offended by any of these threads. Guess that is just me though. I am sure our Maker is not offended either though, and I am not going to put myself through the emotional wringer if He isn't. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 16 2005, 08:40 AM Post #17 |
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Look, I could post a thread purporting that Islam is a radically militant monophysite heresy that arose among the Semitic tribes of the Arabian Peninisula in the 7th Century. Its founder, Mohammed, borrowed heavily from the already established traditions of Judaism and the Christian movements in the Middle East to produce a system of laws (Shar'ria) that sought to give some form of distinguishing religious and cultural identity to disparate pagan nomads whose only unifying link was the Arabic language and its dialects. While not exceptionally offensive on the surface, it calls into question the legitimacy of Islam as a religion and reclassifies it more as an early nationalist movement or ideology (world view). I suspect that yhabpo would not find the argument particularly offensive. Given what he has told us about himself in dribs and drabs the past 10 months or so, he is not religious and probably shares far more in common regarding the origin of species with, say, Jeffery than anyone here. What is offensive, is that he comes across as despising the world that he inhabits. Without exception, we are all repeatedly told we are dirt, immoral pigs and uncultured whores. His most recent thread is, of course, designed to demonstrate that he has common ground with the traditionalists here over the question of same sex marriage. For once he deliberately posts an essay with a reasoned argument and from credible source knowing that traditionalists will say nothing- indeed after the last couple of brawls they dare not come out in agreement for fear of siding with him- so that he can defecate all over the libertarians with impunity. He has already told us what he would do with Gays to cure them of their affliction- intense psychiatric therapy with all the trimmings (apparently he's not a Scientologist) that they may one day be rehabilitated and become useful contributors to the collective. In short, I agree the anti-Islam rhetoric serves no purpose. It beads off yhabpo like water off a duck's back being that he likely hates Islam as much as he outwardly despises Christianity or any other creed. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 16 2005, 08:55 AM Post #18 |
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With all due respect, there is an important difference between Larry and yhabpo, and it affects your point about whether each call for Larry to tone it down should be matched by a similar call to yhabpo. Larry proclaims himself to be a valued member of the NCR community, and believes he is within the mainstream of the community. (I'm expressing no judgment at all about that one way or the other, I'm simply repeating what I recall him saying.) Yhabpo, on the other hand, makes no such assertions. If someone is within the mainstream of the community, it's fair play to tell them that their threads are offensive. Presumably, if one's own fellows were to tell that person that they are out of bounds, that might affect their behavior. If someone is on the fringe of the community, though, jawboning is less likely to be effective, and they are less likely to care what other posters think about them. |
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| tcmod | Jul 16 2005, 09:07 AM Post #19 |
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It is certainly fair to tell anyone that their thread is offensive. But I am specifically addressing these two subjects, each shining a harsh light on two different, but widespread religions. I would find it hypocritical to suggest that Larry's threads are somehow more offensive than Y's. Either they both are offensive or they are not. Larry made his threads very much the same way Y makes his. Possibly a little more personal input, but very similar. he did a good job. the content of his thread is no more offensive than Y's. The people that tell him not to attack Islam I hope were right there telling Y not to attack Christianity. We don't find it acceptable to attck Christianity, but not other religions do we? |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 16 2005, 09:20 AM Post #20 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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That wasn't my point. Having not read yhabpo's thread, or any of Larry's, I'm willing to assume that they are all exactly as offensive as each other. My point was that bitching a hypothetical fringe member out about offensive posts is not likely to be as effective as doing the same to a hypothetical mainstream member. Of course, once you factor in the actual personalities involved in this particular instance, the calculus is likely to change. |
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| kenny | Jul 16 2005, 09:25 AM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Thank you Amanda. Larry is being played as first violin in this embarassment to our forum. |
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| tcmod | Jul 16 2005, 09:27 AM Post #22 |
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I got you. My point is more that people are claiming Larry's antimuslim threads are some how more offensive Y's antichristian rants. The reason is because they want to jump on Larry and because it is fine to attack Christianity, but not other religions. Not politically correct. We'll see how it plays out. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 16 2005, 09:30 AM Post #23 |
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On the point you're making, tcmod, I agree. It's as offensive to say those sorts of things about Christianity as it is to say it about other religions. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 16 2005, 09:40 AM Post #24 |
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I disagree completely that this is the motivation of people who find any or all of the posts offensive. Perhaps for some it is. For others it may not be. It may not even be close. To assume you know the motivation for all of those who have expressed an opinion one way or the other -- and then to criticize them based on this assumed motivation or to suggest they must act in a certain way in order to prove this is not their motivation (even if they felt a need to prove it) -- strikes me as a bit arrogant. |
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| M&M's | Jul 16 2005, 09:47 AM Post #25 |
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I don't think Larry is any more an embarassment to this forum than some other people who have said some things thats purpose was to be mean and degrading. |
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