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How to kill trolls....; Post here folks to discuss banning, etc.
Topic Started: Jul 14 2005, 08:16 AM (2,154 Views)
QuirtEvans
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I still haven't opened the thread by Yhabpo with the obnoxious title, but I do notice that it manages to stay on the front page. And it seems that every time, gryphon is the most recent poster.

It would disappear off the front page if you'd just stop posting in it, Gryph.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jeffrey
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Thumpy: "You have yet to show anything about why homosexuality is not intrinsically disordered. You could have started by dismantling the notion of an order to nature, or an order to the human person, or even arguing that there is a meta-order that homosexuals have arrived at that transcends complimentary procreative sexuality, or any number of other tacks. But you haven't offered anything -- so it is rather presumptuous on your part to think you know why I responded as I did. "


You have yet to show anything about why Catholics are not intrisically disordered. You could have tried any number of tacks, but haven't offerred anything to prove that you don't deserve to be a second-class citizen. Quite presumptuous of you!! Therefore, I see no reason you have given why Catholics should be allowed to vote, except maybe on municipal road rules.

If you find it insulting to have to defend your equality, remember, gays have similar issues!! So I am still looking for you to spend some significant time proving that you are not intrinsically disordered for being Catholic (and remember, it can be cured by therapy!). By the way, in this argument over whether Catholics are disordered and should be second-class citizens, I get to use the same standards of argument you do - I can just assert that Catholic voting is a manifestation of evil in modern times, that Catholicism simply violates the laws of nature as I personally perceive them. I also get to claim that my holy book includes commandments by my God claiming that Catholicism is a sin, and reply to any argument you give to the contrary by saying "It's not me. I didn't make the rules. God did!!". I also get to make a half dozen personal attacks, and compare Catholicism to beastiality, murder, rape and say if we allow Catholic voting, we will have no moral laws whatsoever.

In short, I get to argue against Catholic voting, in exactly the same way people argue against equality for gays!! This should be fun.
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Siddhartha
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Jul 14 2005, 09:57 PM
  The comment about similar hearts was meant to indicate we are ALREADY together, regardless of differing viewpoints.  Anyone on here would help anyone else if they could. 


Really? I was under the impression some people on here wouldnt piss down the necks of other people here if their guts were on fire. There have been many demonstrations of people wanting to hurt others on here, and enjoying the hurt. That doesnt sound like unconditional help to me.

There's definitly people here who would rather see me hurt than helped. And others too. Its a small handful of people doing this, but they are definitely here and definitely high profile.

They certainly have the right to do this, since we want this to stay an open forum, and anybody has the right to stay or go. I have no problem with that. But it does strike me odd that people constantly characterize this forum as all wonderful people, of one heart, would all help each other. Its just not true. There are many wonderful people here, but some are not. And those people have caused more offense and harm with their posts than yabho has ever come close to.

More on the subject of this thread, personally I would like to see yabho stay. His posts have done a wonderful job of exposing people's true character. In addition to that, he represents a viewpoint that exists in this world and that directly concerns Americans. Like it or not, valid or not, its a viewpoint we are forced to deal with, and it can only behoove us to hear what its about and where it comes from. It just comes down to one's character in how they choose to deal with it.
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Jeffrey
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Good post, Sid. Glad to see you back!!
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Siddhartha
Jul 15 2005, 12:30 PM
In addition to that, he represents a viewpoint that exists in this world and that directly concerns Americans. Like it or not, valid or not, its a viewpoint we are forced to deal with, and it can only behoove us to hear what its about and where it comes from. It just comes down to one's character in how they choose to deal with it.

I agree.
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No he doesn't. He's fooling every one of you. He isn't a muslim, he doesn't represent *any* mindset. He's a nihilist. He said so himself. Look it up. His only mindset is to disrupt, cause dissention, create trouble, and divide. He will choose whatever "mindset" he needs to to achieve that.

In fact, several keep mentioning how he's sitting back laughing at the commotion he's caused - he's laughing the hardest at the fact that even though it has been pointed out repeatedly, most people just skip right over it.

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Siddhartha
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Larry
Jul 16 2005, 02:10 PM
No he doesn't. He's fooling every one of you. He isn't a muslim, he doesn't represent *any* mindset. He's a nihilist. He said so himself. Look it up. His only mindset is to disrupt, cause dissention, create trouble, and divide. He will choose whatever "mindset" he needs to to achieve that.


I havent read all of yhabho's stuff, but everything I have read from him is condemning America for our immoral and degenerate culture. That most definitely is a mindset very present in the world today in significant mass, regardless of what religious affiliation this guy does or does not hold.

(Actually, I would venture a guess that many Muslims use their religion as an excuse to hate Americans anyway, much the way many Christians use their religion as an excuse to hate certain groups. The affiliation is incidental.)

But if you're saying yabho doesnt truly hold this viewpoint, but is merely pretending to as a vehicle toward an alterior motive to take this forum down for some undisclosed reason, well, I'll leave that up to you to investigate. Because I cant bring myself to care long enough to look into it myself. But I trust you'll stay on it, and bring any further findings to our attention.
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Larry
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Thank you at least, for admitting that you are not paying attention.

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TomK
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Jeffrey
Jul 14 2005, 07:44 PM
Second, Larry gets all insulted that yby questions Jesus's family status, but doesn't care if people make anti-semitic comparisons between abortion and the Holocaust, or TomK baits Jews, or 89 calls being gay a disability.    The Christian Conservatives don't care if they are offensive, only if they are offended.

Sorry for referring back to page "2" but I was away and my good name was taken in vain. Larry's opinions are his own (and I do value them.)

I am NOT anti-Semitic. I LOVE the Jews. I just think Jews are anachronistic and a bit ludicrous.

Jews are a fiction. No one would be a Jew if someone else didn't TELL them they were Jews. It's a choice to be a Jew. Their relationship to the Middle East is tentative at best. A bunch of posers. All fine, but there definitely is a joke there. If God made Jews his "Chosen People," things might of course be different, but if there is no God--then who is a Jew? No one and everyone. It's a fiction used for subjugation and conquest--and on occasion, a joke or two. :D

Next--the Holocaust is EXACTLY the same as abortion. A people decides which what if human within it's borders and what is not. The USA has decided that until a baby comes to term--it's not a viable citizen of this country. Germany decided that Jews were not worthwhile citizens. (Not something I agree with--at all, but who am I to judge?)

I definitely agree with Jeffery, that we as a people should define what constitutes a human being--and once that definition is set, who can question it but the people themselves? If we decide that abortions are and individual choice--fine. That's our choice. If the Germans agreed that Jews were not fully human. Again--who are we to decide?

It is not a Holocaust if "no real" people died, is it? :)

And as for gays--right now gay's are not accorded marriage rights by this society, a wonderful decision. It's society's right to decide what is fair and what isn't fair. Science can give it's input, but it's no arbiter. If society decided that gays should marry, that will be a fine decision, also. :)
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There have been a number of us that have been following yhabpo's posts since TOCR. For anyone who has, with anything approaching an average level of intelligence, it is clear that he does NOT represent any coherent world view -- except maybe to those who also lack one.

Ultimately, he is random noise, and as irritating.
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I am NOT anti-Semitic. . . . I just think Jews are anachronistic and a bit ludicrous.


It's time for Sesame Street!

One of these things is not like the other ....

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It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Larry
Jul 16 2005, 04:54 PM
Thank you at least, for admitting that you are not paying attention.

I guess many are wondering, why are you?
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TomK
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I hate to disagree with my old friend Larry on this one, I but I don't mind Yhaboo here. (Now, I TOTALLY missed the KB-DL fight, but I never imagined there ever could be such a thing.)

He's not a bad guy, he has certain beliefs and when he posts on them he's insightful and thought provoking. It's infortunate he goes for the "spectacular" now and then. Some fizzel out, (the latest on Rev. Moon!) And some hit pay dirt.

He makes me think, unlike a lot of "wonderful people," around there that make me snooze.

Now I do believe, his liver is infected with the secrtetions of female cats, and he has the intestines of a sheep in heat and though his posts reflect the editing of his male goat lover--I don't mind farting around with the guy a bit.

Again--I didn't read the YB, KB, Dwain stuff.





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Jul 16 2005, 05:17 PM
There have been a number of us that have been following yhabpo's posts since TOCR. For anyone who has, with anything approaching an average level of intelligence, it is clear that he does NOT represent any coherent world view -- except maybe to those who also lack one.

Ultimately, he is random noise, and as irritating.

Well, you have my blessing devoting all that time and effort following all his posts back to OCR, only to conclude 'random noise'. Did you conclude 'random noise' recently? Or did you spot it easily early on, and for some reason kept reading the 'random noise'? So in your 'at least average intelligence' how does 'random noise' push someone's buttons to the point of this hilarious spectacle exhibited here?
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TomK
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Random Noise Post. Exhibit A:

Siddhartha
Jul 16 2005, 05:45 PM
FrankM
Jul 16 2005, 05:17 PM


Ultimately, he is random noise, and as irritating.

Well, you have my blessing devoting all that time and effort following all his posts back to OCR, only to conclude 'random noise'. Did you conclude 'random noise' recently? Or did you spot it easily early on, and for some reason kept reading the 'random noise'? So in your 'at least average intelligence' how does 'random noise' push someone's buttons to the point of this hilarious spectacle exhibited here?
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Tom,

:biggrin: :biggrin:

So appropriate, like so many of your posts. To me one of the most comical elements in these CR's is how some people continually underestimate your intelligence. I never have. But I like you best when you use it gently like this.
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Jul 16 2005, 06:20 PM
Tom,

:biggrin: :biggrin:

So appropriate, like so many of your posts. To me one of the most comical elements in these CR's is how some people continually underestimate your intelligence. I never have. But I like you best when you use it gently like this.

So neither of you have anything of substance to respond with? Gee what a shock!

:rolleyes2:

Let me predict a few more vacuous remarks back at this one now. When you do come up with a thought, I'll be here. Feel free to share.



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TomK
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[edit] Can't do it. It's shooting fish in a barrel.
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Jul 16 2005, 08:54 PM
Let me predict a few more vacuous remarks back at this one now.

And I did it without a Tarot deck. Move over, Miss Cleo.
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TomK
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Siddhartha
Jul 16 2005, 09:32 PM
Siddhartha
Jul 16 2005, 08:54 PM
Let me predict a few more vacuous remarks back at this one now.

And I did it without a Tarot deck. Move over, Miss Cleo.

What did you expect Sidd? :wacko:
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Jeffrey
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Tommie the Troll is back!!

Does it take you a lot of time to be a troll??

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AlbertaCrude
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Well Jeffery old chap, if you want to rid us of your favourite doppelganger, lay off on the value judgements regarding the RCC and stick to selling mutuals or engaging us with your insights into government fiscal policy. It'll make for a kinder, gentler Tommie for us all.
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Jeffrey
Jul 16 2005, 10:13 PM
Tommie the Troll is back!!

Does it take you a lot of time to be a troll??


why is he the only person you ever talk to?

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Non-random noise, exhibit A:


TomK
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Sorry for referring back to page "2" but I was away and my good name was taken in vain. Larry's opinions are his own (and I do value them.)

I am NOT anti-Semitic. I LOVE the Jews. I just think Jews are anachronistic and a bit ludicrous.

Jews are a fiction. No one would be a Jew if someone else didn't TELL them they were Jews. It's a choice to be a Jew. Their relationship to the Middle East is tentative at best. A bunch of posers. All fine, but there definitely is a joke there. If God made Jews his "Chosen People," things might of course be different, but if there is no God--then who is a Jew? No one and everyone. It's a fiction used for subjugation and conquest--and on occasion, a joke or two. th_biggrin.gif

Next--the Holocaust is EXACTLY the same as abortion. A people decides which what if human within it's borders and what is not. The USA has decided that until a baby comes to term--it's not a viable citizen of this country. Germany decided that Jews were not worthwhile citizens. (Not something I agree with--at all, but who am I to judge?)

I definitely agree with Jeffery, that we as a people should define what constitutes a human being--and once that definition is set, who can question it but the people themselves? If we decide that abortions are and individual choice--fine. That's our choice. If the Germans agreed that Jews were not fully human. Again--who are we to decide?

It is not a Holocaust if "no real" people died, is it? smile.gif

And as for gays--right now gay's are not accorded marriage rights by this society, a wonderful decision. It's society's right to decide what is fair and what isn't fair. Science can give it's input, but it's no arbiter. If society decided that gays should marry, that will be a fine decision, also. smile.gif


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Wonderful how even a thread like this can morph into a fun one. :thumb:

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