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| How to kill trolls....; Post here folks to discuss banning, etc. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 14 2005, 08:16 AM (2,156 Views) | |
| QuirtEvans | Jul 14 2005, 10:14 AM Post #26 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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He's shouting into the wind. I'm not listening. Others aren't listening. If no one listens to what he has to say, how has he won any sort of victory? It's an internet board, for heaven's sake. All he can do is type his little fingers off, to absolutely no effect if no one is reading it. You know how he wins? He wins by you making such a big deal of his posts. If you and everyone else would ignore his silliness, it wouldn't be possible for him to win anything at all. I know you love battling and you need an adversary, but seriously, just walk away. Pay him no attention at all. At the moment, you're doing exactly what he wants. He's provoking you and trying to get you all worked up, and you're demonstrating that he's succeeding. If he's winning at anything, you're the one handing him the victory, Larry, not the people who refuse to open his thread. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 14 2005, 10:18 AM Post #27 |
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Bull-Carp
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I trust you will therefore defend this country's integrity and committment to North American security the next time US media or a member of Congress accuses Canada of being a haven for terrorists and other anti-American elements. The person is a blight on my country not yours. |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2005, 10:24 AM Post #28 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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You need my services if you can't see the difference between Y's posts and a thread about killing people. I have no desire to write such a thread. I said it to make a point, and you proved my point quite nicely. He hates your way of life...so F*****G what! You're kidding, right? Not once has he attacked you directly. Where have you been the last two years? He has attacked me directly numerous times. I can deal with that. What's the use....... I want you whining wimps to add two more words to your vocabulary. You're going to need them. 1. Eurabia. 2. Amerabia. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 14 2005, 10:28 AM Post #29 |
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Bull-Carp
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Lawrence or Larry of Amerabia?
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| ivorythumper | Jul 14 2005, 10:33 AM Post #30 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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AC: I assume you mean this:
Now if I thought he was going to strap a bomb on and walk into an airport, I'd call the FBI. He is not making any threat -- though I think he has a few screws loose. If this forum serves as a venue for his rage -- well, better therapy than strapping on the bomb. It doesn't alarm me -- I encountered much more vitriolic anti-American islamofacist rhetoric at Berkeley. Unless they are strapping on bombs or inciting others to do so, they are free to spewl their invictives against the West. Now if they get in my face and I have a beer bottle handy, I might be inclined to teach them about western concepts of what constitutes uncivilized discourse. So bitch slap him, ignore him, call the Canadian authorities if you think he is really a threat. But I don't understand why, if some folk want him banned, they don't assemble the evidence that they consider egregious and present it to us for our consideration. That request is NOT tantamount to defending him or his views, it is simply requesting some semblence of due process in our otherwise happy little community. So bring the guilty bastard in and let's give him a fair trial before hanging him. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 14 2005, 10:45 AM Post #31 |
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Steve we not hanging him. We do wish to ban him from the forum as a consequence of his bad judgement. He has had plenty of opportunities in past to govern his behavior but has refused. He has had sufficient due process. End of story. Ban him. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 14 2005, 10:48 AM Post #32 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Which forum rule has he broken that justifies a banning? We all agreed at the outset, no banning. Offensive speech isn't out of bounds here. Or, if we didn't all agree, that was the consensus. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 14 2005, 10:54 AM Post #33 |
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You just don't get it do you Quirt? Were you never kicked out the class and sent to the principal's office? Surely you at least witnessed such in school. Have you never at any time been censured by your peers? Surely you have witnessed others being called to task. There are consequences to unacceptable behavior. Ban him. It might just do him some good. |
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| phykell | Jul 14 2005, 11:16 AM Post #34 |
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Senior Carp
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I recall saying that he has skirted around the rules, not actually breaking them but still trampling all over the spirit of them. All he wants to do is to offend people. He's not interested in anyone else's point of view. He's the perfect example of a troll and while I'm happy to just ignore him, I can understand those who do object to the thread title he recently chose, despite the recent discussion about such inflammatory thread titles and sub-titles. As such, if were banned right now, I wouldn't disagree with the decision. |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 14 2005, 11:18 AM Post #35 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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it was a metaphor. ![]() I ain't saying we shouldn't ban him, but that would set a precedent. We're all adults here, and rather thick skinned ones at that. For me the jury is still out, which is why I asked for specific charges. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 14 2005, 11:34 AM Post #36 |
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Okay Steve let's backup and reframe this whole thing. Yhabpo walks into a bar, dosen't order a drink or even sit down to get know any of the regulars, but nevertheless incites a fight and walks out before someone like you or me recycle a beer bottle across his face. A few days later he returns and does the same. Eventually the bartender and bouncers are made aware of what happens everytime the clown enters the premises. The choice is now theirs. Perhaps an outright ban from the premises or perhaps a suspension of privileges to give him time to think about how his behavior affects others. People here are pretty forgiving and are more than willing to let bygones be bygones. In the OCR and PC, Yhabpo long ago was asked to govern his behavior by the forum posters. He made little or no attempt then. A short while back he walked into this saloon. He walked through the door lookin' for a fight. Different saloon than the old one. People aren't quite as polite or tolerant of his BS. He found one, then another and now, we're gonna end it once and for all. |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 14 2005, 11:45 AM Post #37 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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You are the master of analogies! I'd be happy to hold him while you bitchslapped him. Really, I am not being obtuse. If he is preventing you from enjoying your beer, then let's take him apart or take him outside. But banning is (metaphorically) lynching the guy. I'd like more evidence, that's all. Probably enuff said. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 14 2005, 11:48 AM Post #38 |
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Bull-Carp
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I don't like that term "bitchslap" its too ethnic. We don't use it up here- we normally just take someone out back and "give them some attitude adjustment". If you think Larry and I don't have authority to act unilaterally then think again cuz we will: AUTHORIZATION TO TAKE UNILATERAL ACTION |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2005, 11:52 AM Post #39 |
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We can't "take him outside". You have to fight him here. Every time I do that, I get jumped on by people about how they don't like the fighting. So you're tying the hands that would handle it the way you suggest. I'll fight him here any day. But it is unfair to me, because that puts me in the position of having all those who can't think things all the way through to turn on me instead of him. It's all part of that "politically correct" brain rot. And I haven't been able to enjoy my beer since he got here. Quit dicking around with all the what if's and theorizing about rights, freedoms, etc, and kick his ass out before it gets any worse. |
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| Jeffrey | Jul 14 2005, 03:39 PM Post #40 |
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Thumpy: "Jeff wanted to start a discussion about why Catholics should not be allowed to immigrate or vote because they are clearly deficient as human beings. Tongue in cheek, perhaps, though I wouldn't trust him if he actually had the power to do so. So, just bitch slap him and get on with your life." Wow. You don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot, now do you? You wondered why Kenny didn't ever reply to your proposal to give him second-class citizenship. You actually expected him to reply to you in a reasoned, factual manner. So all I did was make a "modest proposal" and used all the arguments you generally give for treating gays as second-class citizens (they are disordered, evil, become gay due to sexual abuse, etc), and applied them to Catholics. Then you got all huffy. Seems you don't want to calmly and factually defend the rights of Catholics to vote, you just want to "bitch-slap" such people. Well, same thing will happen when you try to give gays second-class citizenship, and then rationalize your bigotry with fancy references. |
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| Jeffrey | Jul 14 2005, 03:44 PM Post #41 |
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It seems that the Christian Conservatives here have a really thin skin. First, Thumpy doesn't like being treated the way he treats gays all the time. Second, Larry gets all insulted that yby questions Jesus's family status, but doesn't care if people make anti-semitic comparisons between abortion and the Holocaust, or TomK baits Jews, or 89 calls being gay a disability. The Christian Conservatives don't care if they are offensive, only if they are offended. |
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| gryphon | Jul 14 2005, 04:09 PM Post #42 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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I'm not listening. I have my hands over my ears. Na-na-na-na-na, I can't hear him. Sad. You really have no clue, do you? |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2005, 04:43 PM Post #43 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I need to correct myself on something. Earlier I tried to differentiate between Jeffrey and a troll. I take it back. There is little difference between Jeffrey and a troll. Ban them both. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jul 14 2005, 04:47 PM Post #44 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I wonder why people are so intent on staying here when it's such a miserable place to be? It's not work... it's not like you HAVE to show up here every morning and spend your whole day here. I wonder if maybe there are other forums with different rules that would better suit? Nobody seems capable of any genuine, intelligent discussion about the things they don't agree with. They either: a) make sarcastic comments hidden deep within seemingly harmless posts or b) make blatantly insulting remarks about how dumb everyone is for not agreeing with them. Say, that reminds me... Larry, didn't you have a forum at one point? Why are you so vocal about how you think this forum should be run? It seems that as a conservative you should support the Free Market ideology, in which people vote with their loyalty and support. I'm all for democracy here. Not a dictatorship. I think it's ridiculous that 2 or 3 of you think you can bully everyone into your way of thinking by telling us we lack common sense for not agreeing with you. 267 registered users ... 3 or 4 of you vocally wanting yahoo gone. That's hardly democratic. Make your case, get your votes, then approach the gatekeeper in a calm, genuine, and intelligent fashion and try to expedite the process. Don't just sit here telling us we're all foolish for not following along in your subjective reverie. Your point has been made loud and clear... there's absolutely no need to tell me I'm foolish, or that I "don't get it". I understand how offensive you find yahoo to be, I truly do. I find him to be offensive as well. If this forum is going to begin banning people just because the playground bully and his cronies find they don't like them... we're in trouble. You absolutely went ballistic two weeks ago because I asked someone to remove an offensive picture... but now you want someone banned completely for routinely offending your delicate sensibilities. Maybe yahoo should be gone... he certainly doesn't contribute to the forum in any positive way. That's a very slippery slope though, and I'm not sure we want to go there. Because I can think of a couple of other folks who's positive contributions seem to be waning severely. But put it to a vote for Pete's sake, and stop bitching about it. I for one am tired of being insulted by you for not following along. Perhaps rather than sitting here and telling us what idiots we are you should go hang out at your forum. I hope you realize that statement is not to insult you, but is simply me being frank with you. You have a forum, and are free to run it as you see fit. If as many people agree with you as you seem to think, why are you all wasting your time here? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| gryphon | Jul 14 2005, 04:52 PM Post #45 |
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Different people have different ideas of what is objectionable. Who wants to weigh in on this story? yhabpo? Jeff? Quirt? Suicide Car Bomber Kills 18 Iraqi Kids A suicide car bomb exploded next to U.S. troops handing out candy and toys, killing 18 children and teenagers Wednesday. Parents heard the shattering explosion and raced out to the discover the worst — children's mangled, bloodied bodies strewn on the street. Up to 27 people were killed by the blast in the Shiite Muslim neighborhood, including an American soldier. At least 70 people were injured, a newborn and three U.S. soldiers among them. Children's slippers lay piled near the blast crater not far from a crumbled child's bicycle as blood pooled in the street. Twelve of the dead were 13 or younger and six were between 14 and 17, said police Lt. Mohammed Jassim Jabr. Among the wounded was 4-day-old Miriam Jabber, cut slightly by flying glass and debris. "There were some American troops blocking the highway when a U.S. Humvee came near a gathering of children," said Karim Shukir, 42. The troops began handing out candy and smiley-face key chains. "Suddenly, a speeding car bomb...struck both the Humvee and the children," Shukir said. |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2005, 04:55 PM Post #46 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Say, that reminds me... Larry, didn't you have a forum at one point? That's a cheap shot, KB. I thought you were above that. |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2005, 05:00 PM Post #47 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I hope you realize that statement is not to insult you, but is simply me being frank with you. You have a forum, and are free to run it as you see fit. If as many people agree with you as you seem to think, why are you all wasting your time here? In other words, Yahoo is welcome here, and we are not. I gather that since you are a moderator you speak for jgoo as well? Interesting...... trouble comes knocking holding a sign up telling you his intentions, but you decide the smart thing to do is tell people who actually contribute constructively to go away. Now *that* is what I call LEADERSHIP........ |
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| KlavierBauer | Jul 14 2005, 05:02 PM Post #48 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I mean the forum you said you shut down... not your new one. You've claimed many times to have so much knowledge of forums both technically and experientially... you've run them in the past, and run one now. Why then are you wasting your time here when we all lack common sense, and offend you by letting someone say what they want? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| KlavierBauer | Jul 14 2005, 05:04 PM Post #49 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Larry, open your eyes... I'm not a moderator. And don't start this "in other words" crap. I said exactly what I meant. If you weren't welcome here it would be obvious. Yahoo obviously isn't welcome here... but he's allowed, just as you are. And I'm sorry... but how exactly are you contributing constructively right now? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 14 2005, 05:04 PM Post #50 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Amen. In this thread, Larry has already made a second recommendation for someone who, in his view, deserves to be banned. The slippery slope has started before the first banning.
Gryphon, why do you think I'd want to weigh in on that story? It's heinous. It also has absolutely nothing to do with yhabpo posting here. Saying stupid things and blowing people up are two different categories, I can't help it if you can't see that.
I beg to differ. You and your hysterical little screeches are letting Yhabpo achieve his objective, which is to get some satisfaction from rattling you. Calm down and, while you're at it, learn some manners.
And amen. Welcome back, KB. Even though we don't always agree, I'm happy to see you back. And we're in total agreement here. |
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