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How to kill trolls....; Post here folks to discuss banning, etc.
Topic Started: Jul 14 2005, 08:16 AM (2,151 Views)
ivorythumper
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kenny
 
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Jul 14 2005, 03:45 AM
We are of different minds.. but similar hearts. 


I like that.

See, something good can come from a thread started by a jerk.

I think that as a community we are not really threatened by Yahoo.



Kenny: I agree with you (and Mik- very poetic!!!).

If ya'll just stop responding to him -- and DO NOT post to his threads -- his thread would soon be lost in cyber space and we would not have to keep seeing this "Was Jesus a Bastard" title.

This is a new thread for this topic. Please stop posting to the other and continue on this thread and we'll see how quickly the other one moves off of the first page.
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JBryan
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But everyone else is over at the other thread.
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Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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kenny
HOLY CARP!!!
Okay.
I'm here now.

Hey, how 'bout them Dodgers?
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ivorythumper
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JBryan
Jul 14 2005, 08:26 AM
But everyone else is over at the other thread.

It's not that difficult to move, JB. Just do it! :)
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ivorythumper
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Hi Kenny!!! :wave:

Dodgers? Traitors ever since they left Brooklyn! A pox on their house!!!!
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katie
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Yup. This is the approach I'm taking.

I'll think not of this bore who
I'll Ignore;
I'll Deplore.
I'll be done with this finally.
I'll have no more.

:)



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AlbertaCrude
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The Moderators have the capability to change Yhabpo's thread title. Under the circumstances I see no reason why any one of them does not.

I suggest something to the effect: YHABPO BEGS TO BE BANNED
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Larry
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This issue is actually a tiny little example of the greater situation the world finds itself in, and the politically correct "live and let live" "turn the other cheek" "if I ignore it it can't hurt me" attitude is the same attitude that is going to be the death of Western Civilization if we're not careful.

This is real simple folks - the moron is spitting in your face, and you're arguing about his right to do it. Grow some balls.

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AlbertaCrude
Jul 14 2005, 08:39 AM
The Moderators have the capability to change the Title of the Thread.

I suggest something to the effect: YHABPO BEGS TO BE BANNED

AC: I think that self-censorship -- or community response such as ostracization-- is a much better tool than imposed censorship or banning.

Of course, for those of you with a more choleric temperament it might be more difficult to ignore the trolls, but I think that it is the much more prudent course.

The problem is perhaps compounded by the fact that *someone* :whistle: already the defended the term "bastard" in relation to Schiavo's kids on OCR, so we must avoid special pleading as offensive as the thread title is to me. Jesus can take care of himself, and charges us to take care of the temporal order.
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AlbertaCrude
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I not arguing about Yhabpo's right to this or that any more. His is entitled to nothing. In fact if he were physically present his sorry butt would have been kicked so hard by my cowboy boot that he'd taste leather for the rest of his miserable life.
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I just don't see it. Outside of the articles and opinion pieces he posted, his actual writings are only a couple and far from offensive. Banning someone just because he disapproves of the Western way is ridiculous. If he gets banned, then 89th certainly should be banned for his antigay posts...tomk clearly has it in for the Jews in Isreal (photos of bulldozers are clearly offensive)..just ask bach about that one. larry has told quirt to blow it out his ass and has aimed countless insults at everyone with whom he disagrees. Y is not a troll, he is a disagreeable member, just as he was in the OCR. Scan through some early topics and you will see some very good examples of trolls. Y posts about religion and politics, while outrageous, are certainly timely. there are quite a few posts regarding free will on the front page, how about exercising some and skipping Y's posts if you don't like them. Ban him if he starts posting pornography (as we all know it to be) or hurls insults and derogatory remarks at specific members.
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AC: I think that self-censorship -- or community response such as ostracization-- is a much better tool than imposed censorship or banning.


I agree. When I saw the title and who had posted it, I didn't even open it up.
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big al
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I agree with you, Quirt. I've watched that thread grow to 5 pages and didn't open it because I could clearly see who started it. I finally looked at the last couple of pages after reading this thread.

I don't want to start banning people simply because they're offensive. I can very well ignore them. When you get in the mud to fight with the pig, only the pig enjoys it.

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Larry: If this were in a barroom, he would have had a beer bottle cracked over his head. It is not a question of balls, but of providing a free forum for the exchange of ideas.

It is more important, IMO, to avoid a draconian environment-- there is a principle in jurisprudence that not every vice is to be supressed. Jerks are part of society -- and they are tolerated as long as they do not break the law.

Make a case for how YBBHHPPOO broke the "law" here (in a way significantly more egregious than the hot banter that frequently occurs).
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katie
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Don't get me wrong Larry (Luv the Avatar btw) ... I'm all for banning (I've said so at your place),
AND,
Don't get me wrong A.C. (Luv you anyday btw) ... I'm all for branding (with a searing hot iron preferably) ....

however, the "Ignore" solution is my way of dealing with this at present.

:)

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AlbertaCrude
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Quirt read the following being that you don't want to
open the thread in question:

Wahabi Dog wrote:

"The reason I usually do not return to a thread that I had started is because this forum is too active. After a twenty-four hour period, my threads have too many replies, and are buried by other threads. I lose the motivation to come back especially when the thread is hijacked by homosexuals gloating their exploits or by inverse-Nazi Zionists and Americans wishing death to the noble mujahideen.

No-one has argued my assertion that Jesus was a bastard, and a false prophet who founded a ridiculous religion. Thereby, my assertion is true.

I post provocative topics because the most of the people here are a stain to the human population. The more I study the West, the more I am infuriated by the unclean, defiled, and polluted harlot culture of the West. How you people abuse and exploit your women is disgusting to me. This forum is a venue for my rage."

That was the last straw for me and here's why (moved here from the "other " thread):

"I know that the creep is a resident of Canada. I also know that he lives in somewhere in the Vancouver area. I furthermore know that he is either the offspring of immigrants or is an independent immigrant himself. I once told him during the week before the OCR shut down, that he should return to whatever country he or his family originated as Canadians, and by extension, all Americans, do not want his type on our soil.

He has repeatedly proven that his sole purpose here is to chastise, incite arguments, belittle everyone then run, hide and gloat at the consequences. I suppose he may derive some form of perverse pyscho-sexual pleasure from this behavior.

But as a Canadian I will bear the burden of sanctioning him as best I can through insisting that he be banned from this forum. Regretably I cannot have him deported back to his foreign homeland or cave. Were he a US resident I would assume that most others here would feel similarly- he and others like him in our midst are a blight on our nations' respective historical inheritance of fair play and openess.

If anyone dislikes the due process I have afforded him that's just too damn bad. He's a Canadian resident, landed immigrant or perhaps even a citizen of this country- I have therefore chosen to deal with Yhabpo according to my rules and definition of fair play. BAN HIM!"

So Quirt you can take your libertarianism, plant it in the ground, water it and hope like hell it, like Larry says, grows balls.
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Larry
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It is not a question of balls, but of providing a free forum for the exchange of ideas.

Good grief.

All right. I'm going to start a thread about killing niggers and Jews. You can't ban me, you can't deny my the right, because this is after all, a free forum for the exchanging of ideas.

This is beginning to make me question the intelligence of some. The man has flat out told you what his motives are.
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Larry
Jul 14 2005, 09:19 AM
It is not a question of balls, but of providing a free forum for the exchange of ideas.

Good grief.

All right. I'm going to start a thread about killing niggers and Jews. You can't ban me, you can't deny my the right, because this is after all, a free forum for the exchanging of ideas.

This is beginning to make me question the intelligence of some. The man has flat out told you what his motives are.

Larry: If you did start such a thread I would also ostracize you. Jeff wanted to start a discussion about why Catholics should not be allowed to immigrate or vote because they are clearly deficient as human beings. Tongue in cheek, perhaps, though I wouldn't trust him if he actually had the power to do so. So, just bitch slap him and get on with your life.

I asked you to make the case (since I have not followed it so closely), so either stop venting your spleen and do it or just quit misdirecting your anger and insulting the those who don't happen agree with you on this one.
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AlbertaCrude
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Actually Steve, as I said the scum resides in Canada. I hope that CSIS has his number and is being monitored accordingly. As well under our current anti Terrorist laws teh RCMP and CSIS can also arrest and hold someone, including Canadian residents indefinitely without what Quirt would call due process.

I think there may be just cause to proceed under Canadian law. Under Yahbpo's rules we'd all be tortured then either publically stoned (in a bad way) or at best, beheaded or shot.
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The real balls are hanging from those that aren't afraid to deal with a world in which Y exists. Kicking him off the playground is simply cowardly.

Threads espousing violence against people due to their race, religion, or orientation should certainly be closed and the starter should be banned. This should be clear. Threads that question, and perhaps poke fun at various religions are harmless. Christianity has been called a fairy tale by members of this forum without resulting in a ban. Now is not the time to start. Examine his posts, none should result in a ban.
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Larry
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I asked you to make the case (since I have not followed it so closely), so either stop venting your spleen and do it or just quit misdirecting your anger and insulting the those who don't happen agree with you on this one.

If you haven't been following it closely, then you need to stop adding your two cents worth. You're giving opinions on things you have no knowledge of. Secondly, why should I "make the case" - whose opinions do you give more value to, mine, or Yahoo's? AC's, or Yahoo's? Gryphon's, or Yahoo's? If you want "the case", take the time to read the material you seem so bent on protecting.

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Jul 14 2005, 09:42 AM
I asked you to make the case (since I have not followed it so closely), so either stop venting your spleen and do it or just quit misdirecting your anger and insulting the those who don't happen agree with you on this one.

If you haven't been following it closely, then you need to stop adding your two cents worth. You're giving opinions on things you have no knowledge of. Secondly, why should I "make the case" - whose opinions do you give more value to, mine, or Yahoo's? AC's, or Yahoo's? Gryphon's, or Yahoo's? If you want "the case", take the time to read the material you seem so bent on protecting.

Larry: I am not going to wade through the voluminous material to find what might or might not offend you. What AC considered the "last straw" did not faze me. The stuff I did read I did not consider to be that egregious. So don't pull the "no knowledge" line on me. I just don't see what you see.

I asked you to do something -- simply to make your case in the public forum so that all can consider the evidence.

You need not make this a question of loyalty. That is bad form. You have yet to convince me to join the lynching party. Can you trust me to make sound judgments on my own?
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Threads espousing violence against people due to their race, religion, or orientation should certainly be closed and the starter should be banned. This should be clear. Threads that question, and perhaps poke fun at various religions are harmless.

And why is this? It has been stated that this is a free forum about the exhanging of ideas. Where do you get the simple minded idea that all Yahoo is doing is "poking fun" at religion? You are simply justifying your position by minimizing Yahoo's statements. Have you even read them all? What is the difference between espousing the destruction of a civilization and a thread espousing violence? What difference does it make that the violence is toward a particular race or religion? Either speech is free, or it has limitations. You dare to limit my right to write a post espousing violence against a race or religion, but you don't see a problem with espousing the destruction of a civilization?

While you and those who think like you do sit around blowing smoke up your asses about "tolerance", "free speech", ignoring what you want to ignore, and all your other politically correct crap, your little community is being ripped up.

Never mind. Yahoo has won. You politically correct types have handed him the victory.
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So don't pull the "no knowledge" line on me. I just don't see what you see.

I asked you to do something -- simply to make your case in the public forum so that all can consider the evidence.

You need not make this a question of loyalty. That is bad form. You have yet to convince me to join the lynching party. Can you trust me to make sound judgments on my own?


You don't see it because as you've twice stated now, you refuse to look at it yourself. I don't need to repost all his crap just so you can read it. Go read it yourself. And I did not make it a case of "loyalty". I asked you to use some common sense.

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Jul 14 2005, 09:56 AM
Threads espousing violence against people due to their race, religion, or orientation should certainly be closed and the starter should be banned. This should be clear. Threads that question, and perhaps poke fun at various religions are harmless.

And why is this? It has been stated that this is a free forum about the exhanging of ideas. Where do you get the simple minded idea that all Yahoo is doing is "poking fun" at religion? You are simply justifying your position by minimizing Yahoo's statements. Have you even read them all? What is the difference between espousing the destruction of a civilization and a thread espousing violence? What difference does it make that the violence is toward a particular race or religion? Either speech is free, or it has limitations. You dare to limit my right to write a post espousing violence against a race or religion, but you don't see a problem with espousing the destruction of a civilization?

While you and those who think like you do sit around blowing smoke up your asses about "tolerance", "free speech", ignoring what you want to ignore, and all your other politically correct crap, your little community is being ripped up.

Never mind. Yahoo has won. You politically correct types have handed him the victory.

Your response to me has more venom and vitriol than anything Y has posted! I did read each of his posts. As I stated earlier, his OWN writings were very few and pretty tame compared to your direct insults. It is clear you haven't read his writings. You need my services if you can't see the difference between Y's posts and a thread about killing people. He hates your way of life...so F*****G what! Not once has he attacked you directly. Only our culture, and the religion of some of the posters here have been his targets. It doesn't mean a thing Larry. One nameless, faceless, individual that probably is 180 degrees from what his posts are has truly whupped your ass. You have lost your cool on this one. He has actually written 3 or 4 times here and you equate that with the fall of western civilization. Gigantic leap.
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