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| Be Careful What You Promise; It Might Bite You on the Rove | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 12 2005, 06:38 AM (1,089 Views) | |
| QuirtEvans | Jul 12 2005, 06:38 AM Post #1 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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So, Bush has told us a couple of times over the last couple of years that anyone involved in disclosing Valerie Plame's identity would be fired. Now, it turns out that our dear Mr. Rove was most definitely involved. Any bets as to whether Bush will keep his word? My bet is that Rove won't get canned, but it's going to be interesting to see how W squirms out of this one. McClellan's already on the hot seat ... he won't talk about it, because he says that the prosecutor asked the White House not to talk about it ... he won't even say whether the President still has confidence in Rove. That press conference yesterday was as downright confrontational as any press conference in recent memory, and Scott was practically begging the press corps to let it be and to remember that he's a decent guy. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Larry | Jul 12 2005, 06:54 AM Post #2 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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It might be wise before you lefties start peeing your pants thinking you've finally found a "scandal" to beat Bush over the head with, to wait until more information comes out. As I understand it, Rove didn't know her name, didn't know she was an undercover agent, and was simply trying to get the reporters to stop pursuing an issue that in his estimation shouldn't be pursued for security reasons. If the man didn't know her name, didn't know she was an undercover agent, then no crime was committed. |
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| Jolly | Jul 12 2005, 06:56 AM Post #3 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Want Rove fired? I have no problem with that. Fire away... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Steve Miller | Jul 12 2005, 07:04 AM Post #4 |
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Bull-Carp
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Good plan. I for one, want to know what Bush knew and when he knew it. |
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| Larry | Jul 12 2005, 07:13 AM Post #5 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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As much as you might like for it to be so, I don't think this has anything to do with Bush. I just caught a news report on the issue which said that the only reason Rove even said what he *did* say was because the reporter was chasing a false story, about to print a false story, and Rove was simply trying to get the reporter not to report a false story. In an atmosphere where a Republican can't fart without a thousand Democrats wanting to claim that the farter should be fired because he was wasting gas, one must assume that between now and the final outcome of this, we will be bombarded with propaganda and self serving character assassination from the Democrats. In other words, the stink the left is making isn't worth spit any more than anything else they have had to say for the last twenty years. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 12 2005, 07:16 AM Post #6 |
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Excuse me, but I didn't say a crime was committed. In fact, given the way the law is written, I very much doubt a crime was committed. What I said was this:
There is no doubt at all that Rove disclosed Plame's identity. In his e-mail, he mentioned that Wilson's wife was a CIA operative. No, he didn't put her name down, but he did disclose her identity. Bush said anyone involved in disclosing Plame's identity would be fired. So, now what? How does Rove-man escape the dastardly evildoers this time? By the way, for those counting, this would be the SECOND time Rove got fired for inappropriate disclosures. He got canned during Bush 41 for leaks to ... guess who? ... Robert Novak. Except that I doubt that W will keep his word.
So far all I'm beating W over the head with is his promise to fire anyone involved in disclosing her identity. Rove was involved in disclosing her identity. No scandal yet, and I don't think Rove broke any laws. But W promised to fire anyone involved. Moreover, Rove lied to McClellan's face about it. And with that, I'm away from the computer for the day. Fire away at will, the enemy will be unable to return fire! |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 07:18 AM Post #7 |
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Cheers
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This is beautiful - we either get to see Rove get sh*t-canned, or watch the Bush administration wax Clintonian and play the "that depends on what the definition of 'is' is" game. Either way, it'll be fun to watch. |
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| Jolly | Jul 12 2005, 07:23 AM Post #8 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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For supposedly smart people, much of the Left is dumber than dirt. Fire Rove. Big Deal. The current administration is at a time right now where Rove's skills are not particularly needed...for God's Sake, throw Brer Rabbit in that briarpatch! |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 07:25 AM Post #9 |
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Cheers
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Happy Happy Joy Joy! |
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| JBryan | Jul 12 2005, 07:26 AM Post #10 |
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I am the grey one
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Yeah, with Rove gone Bush can't get reelected. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 07:27 AM Post #11 |
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Cheers
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Happy Happy Joy Joy |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 07:32 AM Post #12 |
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Cheers
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To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure which one I prefer. |
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| Jolly | Jul 12 2005, 07:49 AM Post #13 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Let me 'splain something to y'all.... The Left is dancing in the aisles, because they know this story has legs, simply because we are in the slow news period of the year. They want to hang Rove's scalp on their belts. What they do not realize, is that Karl is at his best in an election! The time for 2008 strategy planning is the next 24 months. The time to lay down those grass roots organizations is the next 24 months. The times to get your stuff in place to turn out the vote is the next 24 months. There is no doubt that in the last election cycle, that the Republican efforts at turnout were unprecedented in American politics. It was said that Democrats may have known how many votes were in a precinct, but Rove knew which houses those votes were in. Now, better minds than mine have said the Rove is facing 0 probability of being convicted of anything. And if Bush needs to fire Rove to keep his word, can 'im. It wouldn't be the first time a Bush fired Karl. It also wouldn't be the first time another Bush hired him. Wonder what the make-up of the SCOTUS would look like after another Republican administration? |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 07:53 AM Post #14 |
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Cheers
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Try as you might Jolly you won't dampen my enthusiasm one bit. Wager anyone? Does Bush can the fat bastard or wax Clintonian? (Poor Scott McClellan) |
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| Jolly | Jul 12 2005, 07:55 AM Post #15 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I'm not trying to dampen your enthusiam. I don't care if y'all win a battle, or two. I want to win the war.
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| Mark | Jul 12 2005, 08:03 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Jeeze jon! You sure are quick with the personal insults. I don't care what happens. I am apathetic when it comes to politics now. I can do nothing about anything these bastards do so why should I worry about it? Fire him, wax clintonian. Whatever. It makes absolutely zero difference in my life. And yours for that matter. |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 08:11 AM Post #17 |
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Cheers
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Personal insults???? I'm pretty damn slow to go there, actually. (edit: Unless you're talking about my Rove comment, but that's different.) |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 08:13 AM Post #18 |
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Cheers
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Problem is, the war's never over.
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| The 89th Key | Jul 12 2005, 08:54 AM Post #19 |
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Don't know much on the situation...but if Rove leaked info that led to such things...he should be fired in a sec. |
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| Axtremus | Jul 12 2005, 09:42 AM Post #20 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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How about this wager: The loser has to dedicate his next "milestone post" (500th or 1000th or 1500th or 2000th as the case may be) to George W. Bush and write an essay on "The Ten Things I Love About George W. Bush." Let's put a time limit on it too: If Karl Rove still keeps his job by end of this month (July), the "can Rove" bet lose. Which way are you going to wager, jon?
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| jon-nyc | Jul 12 2005, 10:22 AM Post #21 |
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Cheers
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I'll bet they go Clintonian. BUT - if a conservative takes the other side and loses, he has to write "the ten things about Bush that have genuinely embarassed me". |
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| JBryan | Jul 12 2005, 10:32 AM Post #22 |
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I am the grey one
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What Bush said was the following: "If there is a leak in my Administration, I want to know about it. If anyone is in violation of the law, we'll take care of it". Unless you can find a quote by Bush to the effect that he would fire anyone involved in the Valerie Plame matter then he does not have to go Clintonian to keep Rove. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 12 2005, 11:06 AM Post #23 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Interesting... Quirt -- do you have a better quote that substantiates your claim? |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 12 2005, 01:20 PM Post #24 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I haven't found the original promise yet, I suspect it was something McClellan said. I did, however, find this from El Presidente himself: President Bush on June 10, 2004, at news conference after G-8 Summit in Sea Island, Ga. Q. Given recent developments in the C.I.A. leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, suggestion that it might difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name? And ... A. That's up … Q. And do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so? And … A. Yes. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 12 2005, 01:58 PM Post #25 |
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Fulla-Carp
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This thread is rich. We are at war, supposedly. We don't know where or who those who will attack really are or where they are. Intelligence, especially human intelligence is needed. The President's chief political advisor discloses to the press a CIA operative. This endangers her and every network of contacts she ever worked with. These people are likely no longer able to work with the US because their covers are likely blown. And the right on this Board, those who are so gung-ho on war, talks as if this is no big thing. Ho-hum. He didn't even say her name. Big deal. Bush will come out of this fine. What war? Who needs sercrets in the CIA? Ho-hom. Just politics. Just the Democrats playing politics. Lost spies? When we need human intelligence? No big worry. Ho hum. Well, I think we now all know just how important this war is to the right on this Board. Apparently, not very important at all. Certainly not important enough to be angry as we all should be over this. Apparently, at a time of war, the appropriate response to a White House Official outing a CIA spy is... Ho-hum. No big deal. (Don't you just love the right's spin -- you're right jon.. at least on this Board they are all waxing Clintonian) |
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