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Operation Yellow Elephant; Its safer to rant than to enlist.
Topic Started: Jun 22 2005, 02:54 AM (369 Views)
jon-nyc
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Hilarious. THis is being pushed by some liberal blogs. Trying to get the college republicans to enlist.


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OPERATION YELLOW ELEPHANT -- Special Op "First Strike"

Task: Ask the College Republican leadership to pass the following resolution at their convention:

WHEREAS, the College Republican membership has always fully supported the war in Iraq;

WHEREAS, we have encouraged the notion that the degree of one's patriotism is directly proportional to their support for the war;

WHEREAS, by word, by deed and by support of Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, and Michelle Malkin we have decreed that dissent against the war is the equivalent of treason;

WHEREAS, the military continually falls far short of meeting its recruitment needs resulting in a manpower crisis;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT:

The College Republicans organization is officially disbanded until the end of the war;

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT:

The College Republicans membership immediately volunteer for military service as infantrymen.


Delivery: Mail to the following people:

Eric Hoplin
Co-Chair, College Republican National Committee
c/o Crystal Gateway Marriott
1700 Jefferson Davis Highway
Arlington, Virginia 22202

Corinne Schwarz
Co-Chair, College Republican National Committee
(same address as above)

Manny Espinoza
First Vice Chairman, College Republican National Committee
(same address as above)

Kris Hart
Second Vice Chairman, College Republican National Committee
(same address as above)

Secretary Chuck Efstration
Second Vice Chairman, College Republican National Committee
(same address as above)

Paul Gourley
Treasurer, College Republican National Committee
(same address as above)

Jake Grassel
Chair, Minnesota College Republicans
(same address as above)

Stephen Puetz
Chair, California College Republicans
(same address as above)
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JBryan
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It is easy (and cheap) to sit back and engage in this sort of sniping against those who support the war when there is no equivalent challenge for the side that engages in it. For instance, it is not possible to challenge these college liberals to volunteer as targets for the terrorist attacks that would have occured here had we taken no military action whatsoever.

And I do mean no military action because to maintain intellectual consistency these college liberals could not support any military action, Afghanstan or anything unless they themselves are willing to enlist.

I am sure that there are a lot of these folks who would take such a position as laughable as it is. However, Jon, what do you say? Do you think we could have addressed the problem of OSB and Al Qaeda using diplomatic and law enforcement means only? I await your answer.
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JBryan
Jun 22 2005, 03:53 AM
Do you think we could have addressed the problem of OSB and Al Qaeda using diplomatic and law enforcement means only? I await your answer.

Not at all. Quite the opposite, I believe we should have relied on our military even more - I fault our military leadership whose adversion to casulties led to over-reliance on afghani fighters.


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JBryan
Jun 22 2005, 03:53 AM
It is easy (and cheap) ....

And fun.


But I recognize it as polemical. Don't assume it represents my worldview or anything.
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thank you jon for giving JBryan an opportunity to present an excellent post.

I have a tenant.. actually 3 in a small darling house. The husband had just returned from the gulf to his new wife and son and is voluntarily going back in. He's not college material.

My uncle barely finished highschool.. He enlisted and became a Blue Angel, and was a military man till age 48...

Anyway, just rambling
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Jun 22 2005, 04:28 AM
Anyway,  just rambling


No problem. But if someday you decide you have a point to make, I promise you my full attention.

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i've an occasional point.... (I could post a picture of CJQ) :)
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Me too but a hat helps to hide it.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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you're a conehead?
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No. I'm from France.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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apple
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hmmm.... isn't your wife from China?
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So she says.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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But JB, did your daughter, Connie, date Frank Zappa?

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Jon, glad to see you at least occasionally posting here. I miss your intelligence and insights, but mainly your sense of humor. (I thought your Socrates joke was a howl. BTW, don’t you just love people who nit-pick jokes for factual accuracy? :rolleyes2: Oops, sorry WTF. :cool: )

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I fault our military leadership whose aversion to casualties led to over-reliance on Afghani fighters.


As you well know, much of the military’s reluctance stemmed from mistrust of CIA intelligence. But it goes deeper than that. When a war is marginally popular at best, military leaders are often reluctant to incur “excessive” casualties, especially in modern times with all the media scrutiny. But you know that, right?

In any case, to be fair about things, I know several (true) liberals who supported the Afghan war as a necessary evil. Their central problem was and still remains our war with Iraq.

BTW, the extensive (and ongoing) overhaul of the CIA has been driven not just by intelligence failures re Iraq WMDs but also by such events as its intelligence failures in the Afghan and Iraq wars as well as its culpability in the Abu Gharib scandal.

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There is another consideration to the Afghan war. We struck sometime in mid-October and were able to take over the country within weeks of that. Had we waited longer to collect more forces in the area it would have been well into winter and in Afghanistan that means waiting until spring to strike. That would have given OSB and the Taliban far too much time to prepare.

Also, using Afghan forces was an essential element of our strategy not just to provide adequate manpower but to ensure that it was perceived locally as an Afghani war and not so much a war of invasion by a foreign power. Those do not have a good track record in that region.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Nice to see ya back, Franko.
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jon-nyc
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Frank - thanks for the kind words.


I agree with your points, and clearly the military is not to be blamed for the fact that the county's tolerance for casulties has been low ever since Vietnam. I think our leadership misread the situation, though. I think the tolerance for casualties is low only when the american public perceives the stakes to be relatively minor or remote from our national interests. In the case of 9-11, the nation was attacked. I strongly believe the american people would have accepted whatever was necessary in response. Franks, Shelton, and others were downright timid when it was time to be bold. Can you imagine a similar response from a MacArthur, Patton, or Curtis LeMay?



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Jun 22 2005, 12:43 PM
Frank - thanks for the kind words.


I agree with your points, and clearly the military is not to be blamed for the fact that the county's tolerance for casulties has been low ever since Vietnam. I think our leadership misread the situation, though. I think the tolerance for casualties is low only when the american public perceives the stakes to be relatively minor or remote from our national interests. In the case of 9-11, the nation was attacked. I strongly believe the american people would have accepted whatever was necessary in response. Franks, Shelton, and others were downright timid when it was time to be bold. Can you imagine a similar response from a MacArthur, Patton, or Curtis LeMay?

It's a valid point, but Truman didn't drop the big one for nuthin'.

Even in WWII, the public wasn't ready for a million casualties...
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Jun 22 2005, 01:00 PM
Even in WWII, the public wasn't ready for a million casualties...

Also a valid point. But theres a lot of area between 100ish casulties and one million. Somewhere in there might have lain an acceptable level that would have been consistent with a more agressive response - one that might have been more successful in killing al qaeda members.
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Jon, surely you're joking.

It's obvious that the IQ of most of the left would make them better suited for infantry, and that the College Republicans should be leading them.

.... or we could draft illegal aliens for infantry work.
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Jun 22 2005, 01:26 PM
surely you're joking.


No, and quit calling me Shirley.

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Jun 22 2005, 01:26 PM
Jon, surely you're joking.

It's obvious that the IQ of most of the left would make them better suited for infantry, and that the College Republicans should be leading them.

.... or we could draft illegal aliens for infantry work.

Uh...KB....the Officer Corp is overwhelmingly Republican already....
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