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Incivility on the Floor of the House; Sounds Like Something Said Here
Topic Started: Jun 21 2005, 03:19 AM (493 Views)
QuirtEvans
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The funniest part is that he couldn't remember the sentence he had to read until it was written out for him in large, block letters.

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GOP Congressman Calls Democrats Anti-Christian
Remarks in Floor Debate Stir Protest

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 21, 2005; Page A04

Business on the floor of the House was halted for 45 minutes yesterday after Rep. John N. Hostettler (R-Ind.) accused Democrats of "denigrating and demonizing Christians," prompting a furious protest from across the aisle.

The House was debating a Democratic amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill that would have required the Air Force Academy to develop a plan for preventing "coercive and abusive religious proselytizing."

Hostettler, speaking against the amendment, asserted that "the long war on Christianity in America continues today on the floor of the House of Representatives" and "continues unabated with aid and comfort to those who would eradicate any vestige of our Christian heritage being supplied by the usual suspects, the Democrats."

"Like a moth to a flame, Democrats can't help themselves when it comes to denigrating and demonizing Christians," he said.

Rep. David R. Obey (Wis.), ranking Democrat on the Appropriations Committee, protested the statement, saying: "I move that the gentleman's words be taken down."

The incident followed dust-ups between the two parties over the conduct of the war on terrorism. Over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) called on Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) to apologize and withdraw his comments made on the Senate floor comparing U.S. soldiers' handling of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the actions taken years ago by "Nazis and Soviets in their gulags."

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) repeated an assertion yesterday that had drawn heavy Republican criticism, calling the war in Iraq "a grotesque mistake."

Yesterday, Hostettler had a choice: to agree to withdraw his words, or to stick by them and face a ruling from the chair that he had violated rules against disparaging another member on the floor. If the member's words are taken down, it is considered a serious offense and the lawmaker would not be able to speak for the rest of the day.

Eventually, Hostettler rose and read a sentence that had been written out for him in large block letters by a young Republican floor aide: "Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to withdraw the last sentence I spoke."

Later, the Democratic amendment was defeated, 210 to 198, and on a voice vote the Air Force was required to say how it is promoting religious tolerance before the overall appropriations bill passed, 398 to 19.

Hostettler was in the news last year when he took a registered Glock 9mm semiautomatic handgun to Louisville International Airport as he was preparing to board a flight to Washington. The congressman, who said he had forgotten he had placed the gun in the briefcase, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and received a suspended sentence.
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QuirtEvans
Jun 21 2005, 04:19 AM
Hostettler was in the news last year when he took a registered Glock 9mm semiautomatic handgun to Louisville International Airport as he was preparing to board a flight to Washington. The congressman, who said he had forgotten he had placed the gun in the briefcase, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and received a suspended sentence.

Sounds to me like they should be happy he didn't shoot someone...all in the name of the Lord Jesus, of course.

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If one studies history, the House has never been entirely civil. Nor was it meant to be.

If you gentlemen demand the utmost in civility, re-legalize dueling.
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Jolly
Jun 21 2005, 09:40 AM
If one studies history, the House has never been entirely civil. Nor was it meant to be.

Perhaps not, but it should be.
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Jun 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Jolly
Jun 21 2005, 09:40 AM
If one studies history, the House has never been entirely civil. Nor was it meant to be.

Perhaps not, but it should be.

Utopia does not exist.

When people have disagreements about important things, I'll take belief and passion everyday.

The world is not changed by content men.
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Jolly
Jun 21 2005, 06:40 AM
If one studies history, the House has never been entirely civil. Nor was it meant to be.

If you gentlemen demand the utmost in civility, re-legalize dueling.

To accommodate my esteemed colleague from the other side of the aisle, I move to require that each member carry an assault rifle at all times when the House is in session.

As Larry once pointed out regarding that little gun-crazed town in the South, it does increase the civility factor considerably.
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that little gun-crazed town in the South


Such condescension...... would you have said "that little gun-crazed town in the North? Or "that little gun crazed town out west"? No, take a shot at the south.

"That little gun crazed town" has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. A mere 5 miles away is a city where murders are almost a daily event, and yet the criminal element doesn't seem interested in making the short little trip up the interstate to do their thing.

I don't own a gun. But I believe the crime rate would drop all over the country if the criminals knew that their victims might just shoot back.


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John Hostettler made an asinine inflammatory comment. After being called on his stupid comment - whether out of actual remorse or simply understanding the pragmatic consequences of intemperate speech (I suspect due to both) - he asked to have the words stricken.

Dick Durbin has refused to take the same action after his equally (if not more) asinine and inflammatory speech.

Which has acted more honorably, even if in hindsight?
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But I believe the crime rate would drop all over the country if the criminals knew that their victims might just shoot back.


And I believe that, if everyone carried a gun, there would be thousands if not hundreds of thousands of more accidental deaths each year.

In a country that is plagued by road rage, arming the citizenry to wave something a little longer than a middle finger at each other seems a poor idea.

But that's the great thing about America, we're each entitled to our own speculative theories.
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I think Mr. Durbin believed what he said.

Which makes it especially troubling.....
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Dwain Lee
Jun 21 2005, 08:09 AM
John Hostettler made an asinine inflammatory comment. After being called on his stupid comment - whether out of actual remorse or simply understanding the pragmatic consequences of intemperate speech (I suspect due to both) - he asked to have the words stricken.

Dick Durbin has refused to take the same action after his equally (if not more) asinine and inflammatory speech.

Which has acted more honorably, even if in hindsight?

It is not even that asinine -- just impolitic. The Dems constantly castigate the "religious right" and have been throwing around terms like "Christian Taliban". There are even folks here in our little NCR who think that to be a Christian is to hold a "theocratic view of life" from a "totalitarian-religious mindset", and this is very bad indeed and must be eradicated. Have they been called to renounce their comments? Of course not, we do not follow such rules of civility here.
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If you want civility, Thumperino, head over to WTF. We serve tea and crumpets on lace doilies every day at 4PM, with little lemon-scented finger bowls.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
Jun 21 2005, 03:19 AM
"the long war on Christianity in America continues today ..."




And that war has a name, Mr. Hostettler, its called 'the enlightenment.'
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Jun 21 2005, 09:24 AM
QuirtEvans
Jun 21 2005, 03:19 AM
"the long war on Christianity in America continues today ..."




And that war has a name, Mr. Hostettler, its called 'the enlightenment.'

So what are y'all going to do wth the Hispanics?
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Jolly
Jun 21 2005, 09:30 AM
So what are y'all going to do wth the Hispanics?

Oh - I refine my message when I'm doing voter drives. :D
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Smart man.
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Dwain Lee
Jun 21 2005, 12:09 PM
John Hostettler made an asinine inflammatory comment. After being called on his stupid comment - whether out of actual remorse or simply understanding the pragmatic consequences of intemperate speech (I suspect due to both) - he asked to have the words stricken.

Dick Durbin has refused to take the same action after his equally (if not more) asinine and inflammatory speech.

Which has acted more honorably, even if in hindsight?

Dwain, you're such a smart guy. Good post.
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Larry
Jun 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Such condescension...... would you have said "that little gun-crazed town in the North? Or "that little gun crazed town out west"?


Sure - if that's where it was.

But it's not. It's in the South, and in fact I believe it's in Georgia.

I'm not aware of another town like it anywhere.
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Jun 21 2005, 05:56 PM
Larry
Jun 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Such condescension...... would you have said "that little gun-crazed town in the North? Or "that little gun crazed town out west"?


Sure - if that's where it was.

But it's not. It's in the South, and in fact I believe it's in Georgia.

I'm not aware of another town like it anywhere.

One that requires a citizen to own a firearm?

Nope, can't recall anyplace except Kennesaw.

On the other hand, in my part of the woods, you don't have to pass that law. Everybody already does.

Here's one you'll like....my daughter will be Maid of Honor in one of her friend's upcoming wedding. The father's gift to daughter?

A Remington 1187, 20 gauge, 3 inch magnum. :hair:

Yes, they do do things differently down here..... :thumb:
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Ah Ah, I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk? :smokin:
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One of the American Film Institute's top 100 film quotes of all time.

Unfortunately for 89th, "a man's gotta know his limitations" didn't make the list. :lol:
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Did you watch is last night as well? I saw the last 50 or so. Pretty cool TV, if you ask me.

I was disappointed, with their #1 "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

Perhaps it's because I'm young(er), but they put too much emphasis on OLD movies.

And I missed it, but I didn't see "I am your father." I thought for sure that would be #1. It shoulda been. :veryangry:
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Jolly
Jun 22 2005, 06:57 AM
Yes, they do do things differently down here..... :thumb:

Yeah, but it's probably better not to point that out.

Larry's kinda sensitive about it...
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I was disappointed with #1 too. A Casablanca quote ... "Louis, I have the feeling this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship" ... would have been perfect.

And I would have liked to have seen "I'm not left-handed either" up there somewhere.

It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Yeah they had at least 5 Casablanca quotes on the top 100, inlcuding the one you mentioned...which was 15th or so? "Here's lookin at you kid" was around #5. Etc...
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