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Topic Started: Jun 20 2005, 10:06 AM (305 Views)
Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
According to this survey:

http://www.legion.org/pdf/flagsurveyresults.pdf

80% of the American public wishes to see Old Glory protected from desecration.

Is this a bill (there is one on the house floor right now) whose time has come?
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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The 89th Key
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I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.
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taiwan_girl
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Jun 20 2005, 02:02 PM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

Again, I agree with 89th Key! :unsure:

Must be something in the water.
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never mind.. :P
it behooves me to behold
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Jolly
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Jun 20 2005, 11:02 AM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

This is one where I can see both sides of the fence.....

Therefore, how about a compromise?

We can keep flag-burning as a legal act, as long we do not charge anyone who tries to stop it, with assault and battery. :eek:
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Or in order to legally burn a flag, you must first wrap yourself in it.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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taiwan_girl
Jun 20 2005, 03:19 PM
The 89th Key
Jun 20 2005, 02:02 PM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

Again, I agree with 89th Key! :unsure:

Must be something in the water.

You must be drinking the..."right"...water! ;)
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Jolly and IT, I think your suggestions are perfectly fine! :biggrin:
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Rick Zimmer
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Jolly
Jun 20 2005, 12:40 PM
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Jun 20 2005, 11:02 AM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

This is one where I can see both sides of the fence.....

Therefore, how about a compromise?

We can keep flag-burning as a legal act, as long we do not charge anyone who tries to stop it, with assault and battery. :eek:

Ah yes, Jolly -- one the the great defenders of free speech.

You can exercise your Constitutional rights but we will beat you to a pulp if you do so.

Seems to me we saw lots of this in the 50's, 60's and 70's in the south during the civil rights era.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

(What is it we are fighting to defend again?)
[size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size]
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Jolly
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Rick Zimmer
Jun 21 2005, 05:34 AM
Jolly
Jun 20 2005, 12:40 PM
The 89th Key
Jun 20 2005, 11:02 AM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

This is one where I can see both sides of the fence.....

Therefore, how about a compromise?

We can keep flag-burning as a legal act, as long we do not charge anyone who tries to stop it, with assault and battery. :eek:

Ah yes, Jolly -- one the the great defenders of free speech.

You can exercise your Constitutional rights but we will beat you to a pulp if you do so.

Seems to me we saw lots of this in the 50's, 60's and 70's in the south during the civil rights era.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

(What is it we are fighting to defend again?)

The essential question is whether all speech is free?

One has the right to say something, but I don't think one has the right to be protected from the ramifications of the act....at least in this case.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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big al
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Jun 20 2005, 11:02 AM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

89th, I agreed with this post, although you seemed to be back-pedalling in later ones.

Flag-burning definitely incites anger in a large part of the population, so I doubt it is generally useful as a means of opening a dialogue for persuasion, but as we sometimes witness, not all speech is intended to persuade. Sometimes what is desired is a loud protest, and there aren't many louder than setting the flag on fire.

Big Al
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Al, I was just kidding around with my later post. :P

Isn't there a saying out there about "If you want to protest America, dont burn the flag...wash it."?
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Jolly
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Rick Zimmer
Jun 21 2005, 05:34 AM
Jolly
Jun 20 2005, 12:40 PM
The 89th Key
Jun 20 2005, 11:02 AM
I'm in favor of keeping "flag burning" legal.

I would be completely angry at someone who did, but I think it should certainly be legal. It's the whole reason we left England.

It's a non-violent protest, a fundamental right...as idiotic as it might be.

This is one where I can see both sides of the fence.....

Therefore, how about a compromise?

We can keep flag-burning as a legal act, as long we do not charge anyone who tries to stop it, with assault and battery. :eek:

Ah yes, Jolly -- one the the great defenders of free speech.

You can exercise your Constitutional rights but we will beat you to a pulp if you do so.

Seems to me we saw lots of this in the 50's, 60's and 70's in the south during the civil rights era.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

(What is it we are fighting to defend again?)

Free speech, of course.

A man once wrote that the only antidote for free speech is more free speech.

Seems to me, that's a man who never lived through a civil war.

With speech, comes responsibility. If you decide to say vile things about somebody's mother (even if they may be true), while standing on their front porch, don't be surprised if your head gets used for a mop, and your butt for a broom.

To me, flag burning is much the same as shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater. Seems like you ought to get trampled for your trouble....
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Wacki Iraqi
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I don't see what harm is done unless the fire spreads? If you take a disliking to it and decide to do something about it, i'm not sure that the, "she was asking for it your honor" ticket holds much sway anymore.
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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