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We should censor the media!; ...seriously!
Topic Started: Jun 18 2005, 10:25 PM (441 Views)
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Well, not entirely censor it.

But we should in same way they did during WWII.

The media reporting every negative aspect of the situation (sometimes untrue stories!) is doing NOTHING but hurting us.

This is a war we cannot afford to lose...just like WWII.

Anyone agree?
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...maybe this is just a case of late-night delirium. :snooze:
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...maybe this is just a case of late-night delirium.  :snooze:


What makes you think it isn't censored already? Except it isn't censored the way it was usually done. Instead of preventing certain things from being broadcast, all they do is cause a huge amount of information overload along with a lot of disinformation to throw everyone and anyone off and the result is that no clear voice can ever be heard in a mob yelling at the same time. It's already being done. You can go back to sleep.
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Somebody's been listening to Michael Graham again, or was it Chris Coors? Either you are really one of these guys, or you need to start developing views of your own.
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Yeah I'm just passing the idea along...I think I heard Chris Core mention the proposition a few days ago?

I thought it was a valid idea, and wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on it. I, for one, support it.

BTW, do you listen to Chris Core a lot? I've been on there quite a few times talking about stuff. As well as Michael Reagan's show, Jerry Kline, etc...
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someone said (was it phlebas?) that you would be a perfect fit in the oceania ministry of truth; i couldn't agree more.
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I'm not saying we should lie or anything...just that the government should keep any negative press about the war restricted.

You do realize it's ONLY hurting us...right?
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the war itself, not the coverage of it, is hurting us. unless by "us" you mean the mindless rabble of bush supporters, who will follow their divinely appointed shepherd to wherever he believes god has sent him. i can imagine how the truth might be a fly in the ointment for that crowd, a source of heartburn.
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No, it's when soldiers come back and can not believe the coverage they are seeing. Many great things are occuring over there, but the press only highlights the negative aspects. The car bombings, the hostage situations, soldier deaths.

What we are doing over there is great. In 50 years, we'll look back on this time as a great moment in history, when the USA stepped in an took control of a terrorist/dictatorship that was getting out of control and set up two democracies, and hopefully those governments will stand for a long time.....but it gets harder and harder to do when the press doesn't cover positive aspects of the war. Hence, we should censor the press in certain areas.

Just like Fahrenheit 9/11...if such media packages are seen by foreign nations and potential terrorists, it will only turn them against the USA and freedom. Such propoganda tools shouldn't be allowed in this time of war.

This has nothing to do with a right vs. left argument. It's common sense.
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even in the unlikely case that iraq is bursting with success stories just craving to be told, censorship of the press flies in the face of what this country supposedly stands for. do you want to eradicate totalitarianism in the middle east only to let it brew here, instead?
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It's not unlikely that Iraq is bursting with success stories, it's VERY likely.

So I take it you were against FDR's censorship of the press during WWII?
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WWII had almost universal support, and the media was largely self-censoring. iraq is a completely different animal, controversial and continually losing support. censorship today would smack of politics more than a genuine concern for victory.
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And why do you think Iraq is continually losing support?
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"I'm not saying we should lie or anything...just that the government should keep any negative press about the war restricted."

They did this in Maoist China. They did this in Japan during WWII. They did this in Germany during WWI and WWII. The people wanted to hear that their country was totqally in control of the war, and it was in the best interest of the goverment (not the people - the government) to have their population believe that they were on the right side, that their side was winning, and that the people who were dying deserved it. I'm not sure why the US would want to follow similar precident.

Besides, no matter what people's opinion, I'd rather have the public hear the information - good and bad - and decide for themselves, not have the government dictate what the people should think. Then again, I've never been a fan of unwaivering support for their country - I believe that government should always be questioned.
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I, too, think that the government should always be questioned, but how could the people decide for themselves when the media reports overwhelmingly negative news?

I mean, you and I both know that there are MANY positive stories not being told out of Iraq...so what do you think we should do? Perhaps government censorship is a little extreme, but I'd rather have that...than do nothing and let the media run wild, ya know?
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You know, it's funny. As someone who is against the war, I find a lot of the news overage to be very pro-war. I'm not saying all of it by any means (especially here in Canada, where the majority of people disagree with the war), but I think that the positive side is being shown (and hyped) quite a bit.

Perhaps it's just a matter of perspective?
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Perhaps Dol...I think people are more responsive (and remember) reports that are against their views. Just a hypothesis, that would validate our respective opinions, IMO.
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Jun 19 2005, 05:49 PM
Perhaps Dol...I think people are more responsive (and remember) reports that are against their views. Just a hypothesis, that would validate our respective opinions, IMO.

I can't believe I'm going to say this but

[size=1]I agree with you[/size]

Keep that between us, huh? ;)
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...only because it's your birthday. ;)
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Turn off Chris and listen to Glenn Beck, there's some quality radio! :biggrin:
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Ever heard of some guy named Savage?

My friend keeps telling me to listen to him, but I never get around to it...
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What makes you think it isn't censored already? Except it isn't censored the way it was usually done. Instead of preventing certain things from being broadcast, all they do is cause a huge amount of information overload along with a lot of disinformation to throw everyone and anyone off and the result is that no clear voice can ever be heard in a mob yelling at the same time. It's already being done.

Hmmm. This DOES make scary sense, intentional or not. It's like those agreements on-line they always want you to sign, which we all just scroll by. They could be asking me for a commitment to donate my living heart to members of Congress for all I know.

And all those pin numbers I'm expected to remember aren't helping either. Posted Image
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We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.
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"Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005
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Jun 19 2005, 05:13 PM
And why do you think Iraq is continually losing support?

it's all the media's fault, of course.

:rolleyes:
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Jun 19 2005, 06:25 PM
Ever heard of some guy named Savage?

My friend keeps telling me to listen to him, but I never get around to it...

michael savage? the rabid homophobe who wrote scores of love letters to another man?
"What do you think it is, stupid? It's a string for my lute."
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greg
Jun 19 2005, 10:09 PM
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Jun 19 2005, 05:13 PM
And why do you think Iraq is continually losing support?

it's all the media's fault, of course.

Now you're starting to understand, young padawan. :cool:
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