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Terry Shiavo's brain was half the normal weight; Autopsy found no evidence of abuse
Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 08:10 AM (4,307 Views)
Jeffrey
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And actually, here is Larry's whole post, just so he doesn't figure out a way to delete it:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
"so he could have her cremated, removing the evidence that he is the one who caused her to be in her condition in the first place."

More pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies.

The Schindlers haven't suggested it. Jeb Bush hasn't suggested it. But Larry, the great Larry, with his omniscient gut feeling, he knows that Michael Schiavo did this to her!

Better read up on potassium deficiencies, oh great one. What did Michael do, pour a couple of gallons of water down her throat every day?

You'll say anything, you'll do anything, to win the argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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It has been more than suggested. They have even considered, and in fact are still considering, having a grand jury investigation into this very subject. What no one has brought up other than yourself is potassium deficiencies. That seems to be you simply injecting pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies. The news reports on this matter that I have seen referred to the discovery of broken bones found early on, far before any deterioration would have set in as a result of her condition.

Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer.

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I rest my case. There is no point in discussing issues with people who just make things up, and then catch themselves in ever greater webs of lies and insults to try to cover it up.
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Jeffrey
Jun 19 2005, 05:04 AM
And actually, here is Larry's whole post, just so he doesn't figure out a way to delete it:

quote:
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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
"so he could have her cremated, removing the evidence that he is the one who caused her to be in her condition in the first place."

More pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies.

The Schindlers haven't suggested it. Jeb Bush hasn't suggested it. But Larry, the great Larry, with his omniscient gut feeling, he knows that Michael Schiavo did this to her!

Better read up on potassium deficiencies, oh great one. What did Michael do, pour a couple of gallons of water down her throat every day?

You'll say anything, you'll do anything, to win the argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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It has been more than suggested. They have even considered, and in fact are still considering, having a grand jury investigation into this very subject. What no one has brought up other than yourself is potassium deficiencies. That seems to be you simply injecting pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies. The news reports on this matter that I have seen referred to the discovery of broken bones found early on, far before any deterioration would have set in as a result of her condition.

Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer.

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Life isn't measured by the breaths you take. Life is measured by the things that left you breathless



I rest my case. There is no point in discussing issues with people who just make things up, and then catch themselves in ever greater webs of lies and insults to try to cover it up.

Most of the hypokalemia cases I see (about a half-dozen last week, defined as a K level of 2.5 mmol/L or less) are not the result of huge ingestions of water.

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Jun 18 2005, 08:00 AM
Nobody seems to take anything I say seriously... but that's OK, because nothing I have to say warrants such seriousness.

Nobody has argued that inpatient is the standard, but to imply that in all cancers, and all treatments thereof, inpatient chemo is unheard of, or "backwoods" is simply false. I don't say that with any anger or frustration. It's just a simple fact.
I don't care what oncologists and doctors have to say. If you've been sick for any length of time, you know that your doctor's knowledge checks against your own ... in all cases. It isn't preacher's word. If you're really concerned about chemo regimes and what's out there, do some simple research on your own. Google "inpatient chemo" and count the number of times you see "inpatient chemo" in bold. It certainly is talked about a lot for something that never occurs.
~18000 times...

I heard what you said, but youare not bothering to listen.

Even in my original statement, made in the middle of a sock-puppet war, is not incorrect, when you crunch the numbers of outpatient vs inpatient events. I wrote that I would retract the word "highly", if it made Lucy feel better. If I said that chemo is only done on an outpatient basis, you are more than welcome to delve through the remains of the OCR, and rebutt me.

It seems a lot of folks nowadays like to go back over 3-4 years worth of stuff hunting for needles...

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Jeffrey
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Jolly: You are as delusional here as in the original Schiavo threads. I will re-post my comment from page 7, since you must have missed it:

"JBryan - "Apparently it does not exist. You did not quote his remarks"

Here is your original quote from Larry, from the old Coffee Room thread On Michael Shiavo of March 29. I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes finding it:

Larry: "Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer."

Larry is now proven as a flat out liar, who tried to use lots of hand waving insults in this thread to divert the issue. Here is the full link: http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimate.../10/9162/2.html

I await sincere apologies from Larry and JBryan. You may assume I will have zero respect for their intellectual integity until they arrive. "

I must now add your name to the list. Larry said: " Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself" How many times to I have to re-post his comments before you bother to read??? You are worse than JA ever was.

Parse it anyway you want, Larry said exactly what I said he did. And in the whole Schiavo threads he and you and JB etc. just made stuff up without looking at any facts, harming both Michael Schiavo and the whole country in the process. This particular lie is proven to a certainty. I await your apology, or I will assume that you have no shred of intellectual integity at all.
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Jeffrey,

his is what I said:

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I will let you do your own leg work in finding what he actually said. Since you have already (falsely)asserted that you quoted it so that he could not change it later then it should be easy for you to find.


Your link does not work. if you can show me where you quoted it so he could not go back and change it you have my apology.

As far as the diatribe above and you accusing me of "making suff up" I regard that as an attack on my intellectual integrity. One that you cannot back up and one for which I will expect your apology.
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Jeffrey
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JB - The link works fine. Larry denied that he said that the Ms. Schindler was descended from the famous Oscar Schindler, and I quoted him in full saying just that. Both the link and the full quote were provided above. Both you and he and Jolly and 89 just like to make stuff up on the Schiavo topic. This has utterly destroyed any intellectual creditability you might ever hope to have in the future. Again, I await your apology.
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The people that killed Terri Schiavo should be killed themselves. Then we can start with a clean slate.
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Jeffrey
Jun 19 2005, 05:55 AM


Jeffrey
 
JB - The link works fine.  Larry denied that he said that the Ms. Schindler  was descended from the famous Oscar Schindler, and I quoted him in full saying just that.   Both the link and the full quote were provided above.    Both you and he and Jolly and 89 just like to make stuff up on the Schiavo topic.    This has utterly destroyed any intellectual creditability you might ever hope to have in the future.   Again, I await your apology.



Jeff: this link does not work for me either. I got a page stating

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Now, I think that Jolly misused the word "ancestor" when he should have used "antecedent" or "predecessor". Ancestor suggests a linear descent. Maybe Jazzy can get us the OED on this one. But if you are going to war over semantics, you need to :chill: :)
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Phlebas
Jun 19 2005, 03:34 AM
The 89th Key
Jun 18 2005, 11:17 PM
but everywhere I've looked has stated that "mediums" is a word barely used anymore in everyday language.

If you took the time to read some of the trade journals in your industry (marketing/advertising) instead of your constant sniveling on this forum, you would know that's not the case. Also, you might be less out of your depth when talking about semantics, usage, and other things you've demonstrated no knowledge of.

Phlebe:

It seems per OED that 89th is correct:

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The plural form media is the regular Latin plural. An Anglicized plural mediums is attested from the 17th cent. and is particularly common for concrete entities: see esp. senses 6, 5c, 7, 9, 10. Free variation between these two forms is present in most of the senses in modern English with the exception of sense 6b where the plural is almost always mediums (although see also quot. 1928 at sense 6b). From the plural form media in sense 4d a new singular has arisen: see MEDIA n.2]


and

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[4]d. spec. A channel of mass communication, as newspapers, radio, television, etc.; the reporters, journalists, etc., working for organizations engaged in such communication. Freq. in pl. with the. Cf. MEDIA n.2


If popular trade journals are using "mediums" in place of "media", then this is but another indication of sloppy writing and the erosion of language which proceeds from and leads to confusion in thinking.

Perhaps you were using the word in a different sense -- the whole conversation was a bit too ghastly to follow too closely -- but "mediums" seems correct only for concrete entities (such as spiritualists, types of artistic materials, and such).
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Jeffrey
Jun 19 2005, 10:00 AM
JB - The link works fine.  Larry denied that he said that the Ms. Schindler  was descended from the famous Oscar Schindler, and I quoted him in full saying just that.  Both the link and the full quote were provided above.    Both you and he and Jolly and 89 just like to make stuff up on the Schiavo topic.    This has utterly destroyed any intellectual creditability you might ever hope to have in the future.  Again, I await your apology.

You'll get no apology from me. Instead I will have to insist you provide one example of me "making stuff up". If you cannot (and you cannot because I have not) then I will expect your apology. Stop obfuscating and put up or shut up.

BTW, I don't know if Larry siad what you claim he said or not. Larry asked you to prove that he said it and you claimed that the OCR archives were unavailable. I simply disabused you of that notion and asked you to find it. If you can, fine, he said it. But I have taken no position on whether he said it or not and your conflating my actions with whatever you perceive Larry to be doing is intellectually dishonest.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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I wish Jeffrey had not dragged out my old post, it just reopens old wounds and old fights.

However, it is abundantly clear, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Larry was saying that Oscar Schindler was an ancestor of Terri Schiavo:

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Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer.


Perhaps, as Thumperino suggests, Larry was simply trying to point out a coincidental similarity in the names, and used the wrong word. However, if Larry misspoke, the word he was looking for was neither "antecedent" nor "predecessor". It was "namesake".
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I still have not seen one working link to this actual comment by Larry.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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JBryan: "BTW, I don't know if Larry siad what you claim he said or not. Larry asked you to prove that he said it and you claimed that the OCR archives were unavailable. I simply disabused you of that notion and asked you to find it. If you can, fine"

I must assume you don't read my posts in reply to you. I quoted Larry's comments in full, and Quirt seemed able to read and copy them. I suggest you look higher up on this page. For you to still say that you "don't know if Larry said what claim or not" is simply lie or proof of your idiocy or proof of your stubbornness, or all three. since I quoted Larry just a few posts ago saying "Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer."

Case closed. You're busted, JB. I am still awaiting the full apology.

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Jun 19 2005, 08:48 AM


Perhaps, as Thumperino suggests, Larry was simply trying to point out a coincidental similarity in the names, and used the wrong word. However, if Larry misspoke, the word he was looking for was neither "antecedent" nor "predecessor". It was "namesake".

I don't think that is the right word, Quirtus, since "namesake" implies that one was named for another.
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Jeffrey
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JB - The link works fine for me, and I quoted the whole darn thing as proof for your edification, and the edification of the general forum. You have the whole original post by Larry. If you don't look at the evidence right in front of you in plain english, then there is no hope for you. This is sillier than arguing against JA.
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ivorythumper
Jun 19 2005, 08:37 AM
Phlebas
Jun 19 2005, 03:34 AM
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Jun 18 2005, 11:17 PM
but everywhere I've looked has stated that "mediums" is a word barely used anymore in everyday language.

If you took the time to read some of the trade journals in your industry (marketing/advertising) instead of your constant sniveling on this forum, you would know that's not the case. Also, you might be less out of your depth when talking about semantics, usage, and other things you've demonstrated no knowledge of.

Phlebe:

It seems per OED that 89th is correct:

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The plural form media is the regular Latin plural. An Anglicized plural mediums is attested from the 17th cent. and is particularly common for concrete entities: see esp. senses 6, 5c, 7, 9, 10. Free variation between these two forms is present in most of the senses in modern English with the exception of sense 6b where the plural is almost always mediums (although see also quot. 1928 at sense 6b). From the plural form media in sense 4d a new singular has arisen: see MEDIA n.2]


and

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[4]d. spec. A channel of mass communication, as newspapers, radio, television, etc.; the reporters, journalists, etc., working for organizations engaged in such communication. Freq. in pl. with the. Cf. MEDIA n.2


If popular trade journals are using "mediums" in place of "media", then this is but another indication of sloppy writing and the erosion of language which proceeds from and leads to confusion in thinking.

Perhaps you were using the word in a different sense -- the whole conversation was a bit too ghastly to follow too closely -- but "mediums" seems correct only for concrete entities (such as spiritualists, types of artistic materials, and such).

Ivorythumper,

The OED explicitly says that "free variation is present in most senses"; the only exception given is the sense of the word which concerns spiritualism, where it is "almost always mediums". Hence, when you say "mediums seems correct only for concrete entities", you are disagreeing with the OED, which merely says that it is "common for concrete entities".

If I remember rightly, Phlebas was using the word mediums to refer to blogs (plural). How does the section you have bolded, which simply refers to a "new singular", render that usage incorrect?


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Jeffrey
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JB: One more time, here is the entire original post by Larry:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
"so he could have her cremated, removing the evidence that he is the one who caused her to be in her condition in the first place."

More pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies.

The Schindlers haven't suggested it. Jeb Bush hasn't suggested it. But Larry, the great Larry, with his omniscient gut feeling, he knows that Michael Schiavo did this to her!

Better read up on potassium deficiencies, oh great one. What did Michael do, pour a couple of gallons of water down her throat every day?

You'll say anything, you'll do anything, to win the argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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It has been more than suggested. They have even considered, and in fact are still considering, having a grand jury investigation into this very subject. What no one has brought up other than yourself is potassium deficiencies. That seems to be you simply injecting pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies. The news reports on this matter that I have seen referred to the discovery of broken bones found early on, far before any deterioration would have set in as a result of her condition.

Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer.

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What English sentence written by Larry do you not understand??
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So Jeff, while you are awaiting your apologies -- and I encourage you to hold your breath :rolleyes: -- perhaps you'd like to address the points that I made earlier and help to bring this thread back on topic?

ivorythumper
Jun 18 2005, 12:28 PM
kenny
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/06/15/schia...y.ap/index.html

How does this affect the positions of people who were for or against removing her feeding tube?

Seems to me she had no hope for recovery.


Kenny:

To get back to the point of the thread -- and I am so glad that I've been pin balling back and forth across the country for the past week and so have missed this thread -- the findings of the autopsy in no way change my views that a human being simply cannot be put to death through starvation, dehydration, lethal injection or snuffing with a pillow because they are incapacitated in any way.

Jeffrey
Jun 18 2005, 07:20 AM
I don't know much about oncology treatment, but I know something about the debaters above.  The Shiavo case seems to bring out sheer mendacity and crazed delusion in the people who want to impose their theocratic view of life on the rest of the population.   My guess is that since their side loses on the medical facts surrounding Ms. Schiavo (see the start of the thread),  and the public resoundingly rejected their totalitarian-religious mindset, they are stretching for anything to say to back their side. 



Contrary to Jeffrey's assertion that this is out of "a theocratic view of life" or a "totalitarian-religious mindset", it is rather a simple conclusion that the principle of life (call it soul, zoe, bio-mechanical-electro-chemical, whatever) resides within the individual and NO ONE has the authority to deprived another of it simply because they are incapable of defending themselves.

This is also in response to JFs questions on OCR -- in which he asked me "Are there ANY circumstances under which the removal of a feeding tube from a patient in a persistent vegetative state would be justified."

No. No one can be deprived of essential treatment, which is essentially food, water, and air -- those things necessary for the life processes to function naturally as they do without artificial means of support.

Parenthetically, in response to KK's claim that a feeding tube is extraordinary (if and when) it is surgically implanted -- there is a necessary sense of "proportion" between medical efforts and anticipated outcome. While this is a prudential judgment, it is not onerous to provide food via a tube. It is not necessary to do so (arguably), but once the efforts have been made and the patient has been self sustaining with this level of care it is incumbent on the care givers to continue the process since removal will result in the death of the patient FOR THAT REASON ONLY. This is why I still hold that Terri Schiavo was deliberately and intentionally killed.

Since you, Jack, are involved in the legal side of things, and must help your clients to decide their advance directives, I would encourage you to look at the "LOVING WILLS", and show your clients that there are options to being put to death after they are incapable of defending themselves.
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JB - I just tried the link a third time. Works fine for me. Here is the post again, so you don't miss it.



"Larry

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
"so he could have her cremated, removing the evidence that he is the one who caused her to be in her condition in the first place."

More pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies.

The Schindlers haven't suggested it. Jeb Bush hasn't suggested it. But Larry, the great Larry, with his omniscient gut feeling, he knows that Michael Schiavo did this to her!

Better read up on potassium deficiencies, oh great one. What did Michael do, pour a couple of gallons of water down her throat every day?

You'll say anything, you'll do anything, to win the argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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It has been more than suggested. They have even considered, and in fact are still considering, having a grand jury investigation into this very subject. What no one has brought up other than yourself is potassium deficiencies. That seems to be you simply injecting pernicious, unsupported and unsupportable lies. The news reports on this matter that I have seen referred to the discovery of broken bones found early on, far before any deterioration would have set in as a result of her condition.

Does anyone else find it ironic that her maiden name is Schindler? Her ancestor managed to help hundreds of Jews escape the death camps, and now Terri is in a death camp herself, at the hands of the State of Florida, and Governor Greer.

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JB - I just tried the link a third time. Works fine for me. Here is the post again, so you don't miss it.


I still have missed it unless I can link to it. Your link takes me to the same page as the one IT got. You have already accused me of bad faith and you have shown yours by your willingness to make baseless accusations. I await your apology.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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"namesake" implies that one was named for another


I tell you what, Thumperino, let's split the difference. From dictionary.com:

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2 entries found for namesake.
name·sake  Audio pronunciation of "namesake" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (nmsk)
n.

    One that is named after another.

[From the phrase for the name's sake.]

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

namesake

n : a person with the same name as another

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
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Jeffrey, the reason you can't understand what you've read is the same thing that causes you to be unable to understand and discuss religion in an intelligent manner. You pick out one single thing that you can use to support your views, and ignore the entire body of context that it is wrapped in. Now, because I failed to put " " around the word ancestor so the slower minded among us wouldn't get side tracked from the full context and actual point that was being made, you have done what you do when you try to understand or discuss many other subjects - you have taken a statement out of context, and tried to make it a stand alone concept. I think most people here understand that you have to consider the entirety of someone's point before you try to come to a rational and sane conclusion about their meaning. Had we been sitting face to face having a real time discussion, the moment someone heard my statement and asked "are you really trying to say they are related?" I would have immediately clarified my intended meaning to clear up any misunderstandings by pointing out that the comment was meant parenthetically, using poetic license if you will, and not intended to be taken as saying they were actually related.

Since this was done in a written medium, with several hours or even days passing between a person having written something, others writing things having nothing to do with a given statement, and input written by those with slower skills of comprehension such as yourself before the person who wrote the statement that is being misunderstood has the opportunity to correct the misunderstandings, or misworded statement, the reader who applies an intelligent approach to following a subject will consider the entire writings of the person they misunderstood before jumping to conclusions or making accusations regarding their intended meaning.

So, if you take my entire writings on the subject, you will see that while the statement you have pulled out and focused on is textually correct, it was followed almost immediately in conversational terms with statements written to clarify the meaning of the statement for the benefit of those who are objectively and intelligently trying to understand the full intent of the writer, statements that make it completely clear to a rational and objective reader that no intent existed to claim they were *actually* related.

But this is how you approach *every* subject you want to nitpick apart. It's why you lack any semblance of logic when you try to discuss religion, and many other topics. Sure - if one uses a simple minded approach or has an agenda, you can in fact pull that statement out as a stand alone statement, and make it appear that what you claim is what I meant. Unfortunately as I have explained, this is not how one goes about fairly and intelligently following things. I said what you say in literal terms, but in full context went on to explain that it was *not* intended to be taken literally, and in fact stated flatly that I was not saying that.

Any rational minded person having read the full body of my writing on the subject is able to see the *full* context and meaning, and reflect back on the portion that might have left a question in their mind and put it into context. You on the other hand choose to stubbornly focus on a single leaf while not noticing the tree it hangs from. That speaks to your own intellectual vacuum, not mine or anyone else's.

To make my point, let me use the same approach you are taking with my statement and apply it to one of your own statements.

In this post I have linked to here, you wrote "I don't post much because I have little of educated value to add ".

Now - you have lied Jeffrey, because you post a lot. And you are pretending to be something you are not, because you literally wrote that you have little educated value to add, yet you constantly try to present yourself as having an educated point of view on things. So which is it, Jeffrey? You cannot hide from your statement. I have provided a link to *your own words* to prove that you made the statement. What you *meant* when you wrote those words don't mean a damned thing now Jeffrey - you said you don't post much because you have little of educated value to add. So why are you posting so much? Why are you trying to present yourself as having educated value to add? Your intellectual integrity is now in question, Jeffrey. Did you or did you not write the words "I don't post much because I have little of educated value to add"? Do you deny it? Don't try to explain it in context, stick with the statement.

Let me also add that you are a lucky man that the conversation *has* been in a written medium. Had this conversation occurred around a table face to face, the first time you called me a liar you would have been warned in no uncertain terms what your fate would be if you did it again. The second time you did it, you would have been given your last warning. The third time, and the discussion would have ended, and life as you know it would be altered for awhile.

Lastly, while I can't speak for Jbryan or Jolly, I personally could care less what you think of my "intellectual integrity". Having none yourself, it renders the worth of your opinion on the issue worthless.
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Another example of your lack of intellectual integrity Jeffrey, is your constant references to the Schiavo discussion. I have not written a single word regarding Schiavo or that subject in this thread. It has not been, and is not now involved in a single thing I have been participating in in this thread. I have only written about cancer treatments, oncologists, and various posts attempting to defend myself against your intellectually vacant logic.



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Jun 19 2005, 04:33 AM
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How would I know if your quote is right or wrong?



Everything you have written on the subject has suggested that you think it is wrong. :shrug:

Well I think it was wrong from what I've seen, of course.

But if it's saying what you are implying, then I couldn't say its wrong or right...only after I saw the whole citation could I say one way or the other.
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Jun 19 2005, 07:34 AM
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but everywhere I've looked has stated that "mediums" is a word barely used anymore in everyday language.

If you took the time to read some of the trade journals in your industry (marketing/advertising) instead of your constant sniveling on this forum, you would know that's not the case. Also, you might be less out of your depth when talking about semantics, usage, and other things you've demonstrated no knowledge of.

Phlebe I told in the OCR that it doesn't matter what the trade journals say. Words are used incorrectly all the time...that doesn't validate their new meaning though.

You should take some notes from Jazzy, he's at least approaching this intellectually and not posting pictures of fish for his argument.

Grow up.
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