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| apple | Jun 16 2005, 01:49 PM Post #51 |
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one of the angels
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as long as you are not wallowing in the throes of the agony of defeat, we are all happy. |
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| The 89th Key | Jun 16 2005, 01:51 PM Post #52 |
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No throes to experience since the requirement of "defeat" wasn't felt on this side of the fence. Perhaps you should offer Phlebe some throe-b-gone.
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| apple | Jun 16 2005, 01:56 PM Post #53 |
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one of the angels
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| The 89th Key | Jun 16 2005, 02:04 PM Post #54 |
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| Jack Frost | Jun 16 2005, 05:47 PM Post #55 |
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Bull-Carp
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Larry, please enlighten us with an example of someone with a half a brain who functions normally.....oh, I didn't realize we were including fish and possum in this......(and i will add the qualification that anyone who has passed the bar exam is presumed to have more than half a brain. jf |
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| Jack Frost | Jun 16 2005, 05:53 PM Post #56 |
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89...show us one example where you have admitted being wrong....oh, you have NEVER been wrong? That is why there are no admissions? Well, ok, then......... jf |
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| JBryan | Jun 16 2005, 06:35 PM Post #57 |
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I am the grey one
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I had half my brain removed to treat a skin condition. I just don't think about it any more. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Phlebas | Jun 16 2005, 06:47 PM Post #58 |
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Bull-Carp
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I think what Apple means is in any debate in OCS, TNCR, etc., you have been consistently... . . . ![]() . . . . ...filleted. Although, I think you prefer the alternate spelling. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| The 89th Key | Jun 16 2005, 08:10 PM Post #59 |
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If you actually read the post that you quoted, you'll realize I actually admitted I was wrong right there! Even if it was only a little spelling error. Wow, that was a quick "search". jf, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Even in the "mediums" thread, sarahblueparrot noticed a grammatical error I made (in jest) but nonetheless I said she was right and I was wrong. I know, I know...it's a rare thing, isn't it jack?
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| The 89th Key | Jun 16 2005, 08:15 PM Post #60 |
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Don't feel too bad Phlebe! You can make all the jokes you want, but the joke is on you. :lol: I pointed out an incorrect word you used, and you told me I should use the Oxford English Dictionary instead of dictionary.com.... ...and you were still wrong. I can sympathize with your emarassment. |
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| Phlebas | Jun 17 2005, 02:47 AM Post #61 |
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You should apply for a job in the government of Oceania at the Ministry of Truth. To refresh your memory here's what happened: - 89th didn't know what a blogger is, so in his endearing habit of displaying his ignorance for all to see, instead of Googling, or reading an article about it, he starts a thread in OCR asking if we - meaning the denizens of OCR - are bloggers. - Phlebas - knowing that 89th said he worked in the marketing/advertising industry - asked a snide rhetorical question pointing out the fact that 89th should probably know what a blogger is. At some point in the back and forth Phlebas used the word "medium" instead of "media." - 89th took exception to my question, and said Phlebas' use of the work medium was incorrect. - Phlebas - knowing his use of the word was in fact correct, and knowing how easy it is to derail 89th from any main topic he's wrong about to nitpick even the smallest point he's wrong about - decided to take 89th for a ride. It worked beyond Phlebas' wildest dreams. The tale - as JRR Tolkein would say - "grew in the telling." In no time there was a 8 page long thread where 90% of the posts had to do with how to use a word. 89th, in his typical "I'm right because I know I'm right, and whatever anyone says doesn't matter because I'm right because I know I'm right because...," way of arguing could not convince Phlebas - or any one else - that he was anything else but misguided in even considering an argument with Phlebas. (If you do not think this is a substantially accurate summary of the thread in question, ask around.) Morals of the story: For 89th: Hiding behind all the smileys you want, does not make you right. It's too easy to derail you from a topic you're discussing with a well placed comment or two. You can be regularly played like a bad accordion. for Phlebas: You should really think about getting a life (but I still don't understand how someone working in marketing did not know what blog... oh never mind). |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Jolly | Jun 17 2005, 05:06 AM Post #62 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Some gal wrote:
What a load of horse manure. I missguess Wacky's status as a sock puppet, and that translates to knowledge of gross anantomy, and the post mortem process. Excuse me ma'am, but what did you say your degree was in? Astrology? |
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| ycul | Jun 17 2005, 06:14 AM Post #63 |
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Jolly. Here's the problem. You misguessed Wacki's status as a sock puppet based on this: ". Chemo, unless under highly unusual circumstances, is given on an outpatient basis. If you ain't strong enough to stay out of the hospital, you ain't strong enough for chemo. I would certainly think, that in a socialized medical system, they wouldn't inccur a 7 day stay, for routine outpatient treatment." Wrong, wrong and wrong again. Chemo *is* routinely given to cancer sufferers on an *in*patient basis depending on which cancer they have and therefore which regime they're under. Testicular cancer for example. My friend the oncologist has three men under 30 on one ward *all* receiving treatment over six days as inpatients. These stays will be repeated over 3 - 6 times. Jolly, if you are not expert in a particular field don't you think it would be wise to make it clear that your opinions are based on as little knowledge as the rest of us have? The main problem I have with your opinions on *anything* medical is that having got it so far off the mark before, I'm inclined to distrust you on much else. Like many people, I fear your preconceived ideas and deep-rooted beliefs sway your judgement and cloud your ability to read the facts. Btw, I'm a Capricorn, what are you?
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| Jolly | Jun 17 2005, 06:30 AM Post #64 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I stand by my original statement. Anomalies do not medicine make. Chemo is not routinely given on an inpatient basis, the delivery is much more cost effective based on an outpatient model. As cancer patients are hospitalized for such problems as thrombocytopenia, or leukopenia, they are usually not given continuing chemo "cocktails" which are most often the cause of the cell reductions in the first place. I will admit that things may be different in Britian, but I do not consider their higher technology medicineto be at the same level as that found in the United States. In this thread, I have given the link to the autopsy findings. Until someone like Bachophile, or JohnnyMoonlight ( who is an exceptionally well-read FP) can medically refute what I have written in this thread, I'll take your comments with a very large dose of salt. I have 26 FTEs with bachelor's degrees(or above) in the healthcare sciences that answer to me. Right now, considering your credentials, I wouldn't even interview you to clean bedpans. |
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| Phlebas | Jun 17 2005, 06:57 AM Post #65 |
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I didn't think Ycul was trying to prove any credentials, and she certainly was not applying for a job. Her point was you made a judgement based on an assumption which turned out to be wrong. You're still making assumptions about common medical practice in a country with a very different medical system from ours. You work in a hospital. That does not make you an MD. Years ago I worked for an accounting firm. That did not make me a CPA who could talk to people about tax law. That seems to be all Ycul is saying. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| The 89th Key | Jun 17 2005, 07:07 AM Post #66 |
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Hahaha you are such a liar, something even I wouldn't expect from you. Here's the REAL timeline: - I asked if we, as a whole, were considered bloggers...since we have so much to say about every issue, especially current topics. Something that a blog does, except we do it from many points of view. - You made a snide remark about how, working in marketing, I should know exactly what a blog was and in the course of that, incorrectly used the word "mediums" when you should have used "media". - Since you didn't understand my question, but still went on to make a snide remark, I made one back that you didn't use "mediums" correctly. - You said you did. - I gave you the definition of it. - You said I should use the Oxford English Dictionary. - So I did....and you were STILL wrong. - I then went to about a dozen different dictionaries, all saying the same thing: - YOU WERE WRONG. - The funniest part was that you couldn't admit it. - You still will not, which says a lot about you. - Also, during the thread I told you that I knew you were trying to hijack the thread but that I already had my answer so it didn't matter. - I was just having fun pointing out your idiocy. - It's still present today, and your self deprecating post you just made solidifies that aspect. .....you can keep talking about the issue Phlebe, but the only way you're right in this case is if you re-write the dictionary. YOU ARE WRONG. Admit it. I can continue with this forever, my friend. You couldn't be more wrong, and you're the only one losing here. It's fun!
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| ycul | Jun 17 2005, 07:10 AM Post #67 |
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Sorry Jolly. It wasn't an anomaly. Cancers requiring inpatient treatment aren't rarities. Something you'd know if you were but half the medical authority you portray yourself as. Until then, I'll treat your opinions with the respect they deserve. P.S. When did they promote you to chief-in-charge-of-training-the-bedpan-cleaners btw?
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| Jolly | Jun 17 2005, 08:00 AM Post #68 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Yes ma'am, it is uncommon to admit patients for chemo treatments. Now, you can base your assumptions on an isolated incident, or perhaps a British medical practice (aren't they still doing the vertical incision C-section there?), but I just walked over and asked one of my guys who previously worked at M.D. Anderson, and they laughed at you. You can google up M.D. Anderson, you might want to take Wacky there, sometime. Now, tell me again...what is your area of medical expertise? |
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| ycul | Jun 17 2005, 08:20 AM Post #69 |
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Sorry Jolly. Bad news. It's far from uncommon. I'm not working on an assumption here. As I told you in the previous post the regime depends on the cancer and after talking with an oncologist, I choose to trust his knowledge over your opinion based on "your guy" ![]() And btw, you don't need medical expertise to spot major B.S.
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| The 89th Key | Jun 17 2005, 08:27 AM Post #70 |
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Jolly, perhaps you should give her the definition of "medical" or "expertise"... ...then again, if she's anything like Phlebe, she's not going to accept the definition. :lol: |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 17 2005, 08:30 AM Post #71 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Jolly... I like you have no medical credentials... but I was at one time an EMT. That means absolutely nothing in this thread, but it means I've spent some time in the Hospital. However, I've spent much more time in the hospital as a patient than I have as an EMT. Many hospitals have inpatient Oncology wards. Yes, chemo can be done on an outpatient basis, and is frequently, but it is also frequently done on an inpatient basis. It is not an anomaly for this to happen, it is very standard in some situations. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Phlebas | Jun 17 2005, 08:39 AM Post #72 |
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Among numerous other things, you should look up "self deprecating." My posts are rarely that. I recall more desperation than fun from your posts in the thread in question. If you objected so much to being hijacked, why did you allow it to happen for 8 pages? Thank you for telling me your understanding of bloggers was more, um, nuanced than I thought. Yeah right. ![]() There's no point in arguing with you, so this is my last post on the subject. I - and everyone else - knew I was right at the time, and they still do. Like I said, ask around. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| katie | Jun 17 2005, 08:40 AM Post #73 |
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Geez Jolly ... sit back and chill for a sec please!!! There ARE times, like now, that you really should consider conceding and raising the flag. And inviting (or should I say *challenging*) Bach or John into battle @ days after your orignal post is just not right. Both of them are too professional and polite to involve themselves in this. It's just not fair Jolly. Ycul's experience is valued ... she knows what she does b/c she lived it. She remembers your statement back in the OCR ... and she called you on it. If I'd been caught with a mis-statement (and I do make many of them), I would've apologised. Heck, even if I thought I were right, I would've apologised anyway. For me, it's just the right thing to do. Nina was polite. So were others. I stayed out of it. But truly, it doesn't take an MD to pick apart some of these statements. Further, and the longer this goes on ... I'm beginning to cringe ... . And you are *so* stewing with much emotion now. Please Jolly. I like you. So do others. Give it a rest. And I ain't saying anything more. (This Shiavro thing has truly affected some people here. It's like a boil that's swollen and burst. There is much purulence surrounding this entire *issue* now IMHO). |
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| Phlebas | Jun 17 2005, 08:41 AM Post #74 |
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Is this what we call the "Oncological Argument"? |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| The 89th Key | Jun 17 2005, 08:49 AM Post #75 |
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Your posts are rarely that? Ok, so you admit they are sometimes self deprecating...AKA your timeline post, like I already said. Good one. ![]() I didn't object to it being hijacked...can you not read? I said it was FINE that it was hijacked since I already had my answer. Are you just acting stupid or did you really not understand what I said? It's good you finally understand what I was asking regarding bloggers...I guess you had to get it eventually.... You were right at the time? Ask around? Yeah lets ask anyone here, we can ask the Oxford English Dictionary too, or dictionary.com, American Standard Dictionary, Princeton Dictionary, Merriam Webster Dictionary... ...yes, let's ask around! There isn't one place out of every source we looked at that said you were correct. [size=7]EVERY SINGLE SOURCE verified that I was correct and you were 100% wrong.[/size] This is fun!! I can understand if you don't want to post here anymore. You don't have any ground and you never did. It's been a pleasure, mate. Adios!
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