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Topic Started: Jun 10 2005, 05:41 PM (3,765 Views)
Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
Steve Cohen
Jun 12 2005, 06:29 AM
The same thing happened to me, plus I was banned. My only post there was explaining some misinformation posted by...you.

Oh yea, that was on YOUR websute.  :lol:


Sorry. You weren't "correcting" anything. You were simply being yourself...
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Also, you wrote 2 posts, not 1, and I didn't ban you, I deleted your posts. I deleted them because they were lies, written in a manner that attempted to take advantage. Besides, I'm trying to build a group of *knowledgeable* piano professionals.
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I kind of like the different fora...
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AlbertaCrude
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I cannot help but notice that there is more than one person has stated or implied that *over there, in that place* opinions and facts that diverge are ignored. Likewise, even those of us who occupy the centre and moderate left feel far more comfortable swilling beer here at Jgoo's Saloon.

I do not agree that *those people* are any better at formulating and defending arguments than people here. Nor are they more articulate. In fact with a few notable and anonymous exceptions, most are completely lacking in basic factual historical data for their arguments. This deficit is particularly noticeable when debating issues occurring outside the USA.

I also sense that although I differ on many points with the more conservative posters here, it is clear to me from whence their argument and stand on issues originates. Call it decisiveness if you will. Owing to this I find it much easier to find commonality and room for compromise on contentious issues. Indeed it easier here for me at least, to agree to disagree. Overall, there is less of a "I can't be wrong attitude" here.
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AlbertaCrude
Jun 12 2005, 08:45 AM
Overall, there is less of a "I can't be wrong attitude" here.

Especially now that 89th key has arrived here :lol2:
You seem somewhat familiar. Have I threatened you before?
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katie
Jun 12 2005, 10:45 AM
LD: I also share in Dolmansaxlil's comments b/c I too tend to have a liberal mindset. I admire the WTF folk very much; however, a few of their members seem to be so very articulate and intelligent (a.k.a. crack debaters) . At times, for me at least, this seems intimidating, despite my strong opinions. Odd to say, but here in TNCR, many of the more conservative folk seem fairly tolerant of my liberalism.

Saying this though, I do like all 3 forums. I like change, variety, a different flow. Crazy as it is, things tend to get static otherwise.

(Hmmm .... She's thinking to herself now. As a subscriber, when Katie chooses her symphony/concert tickets each year she always requests seats on the Mezzanine Left or Mezzanine Centre Left. Interesting .... :D )

Now, I don't see that. There are people on the right that post here that are far more eloquent, far more knowledeable, and far better at putting there point forward than I am. I do not, in the least, feel intimidated by them. Ivory and Dwain are two examples that comes to mind. Oh, there are some intelligen people over there, it's just that there are many there that follow right along with the tripe being put out by Dean. Bush evil, republicans evil, religion evil (unless it's Islam or directly contradictory to judeo-christian values), heterosexual men evil.......They post poorly thought out or researched articles and sit around in an idealogical circle jerk over how wonderful and enlightened they are. Ridiculous. There are a few that don't fit this mold, but most do. I would like to think that those on the left over here aren't like that. It's gotten so bad over there, however, that those in the middle, like AC, appear to be right of center.

And Katie, Dol? I think you guys do a great job arguing your points! I do wish Sidd would come back, he was much more articulate and better at these discussions than most.
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AlbertaCrude
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Nunatax
Jun 12 2005, 09:00 AM
AlbertaCrude
Jun 12 2005, 08:45 AM
Overall, there is less of a "I can't be wrong attitude" here.

Especially now that 89th key has arrived here :lol2:

I wouldn't laugh too hard- he stands firm on what he believes and he does listen. Moreover he knows how to take a joke even when the kitchen gets hot.
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katie
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I do appreciate what you LD and AC say. Both of you make very good points. I don't want to throw a wrench into this, yet the thought of who's who 'professionally' has crept into my cranium. As a nurse (albeit retired), I grew accustomed to the air of cooperation in my workplace (an ICU). There was little time or room for heated debate in midst of crises, some quasi-polite discourse maybe, but not intense debate. What professional disagreements we had were often settled quietly, away from the bedside. This is b/c kids were often critically sick, and parents were very stressed. Through my education and experience, I realized that all of us in the health professions (docs/nurses/others), while we often disagreed, sought to achieve the same common goals, i.e. the recovery of particularly ill little people. Why am I saying this? It's b/c in the WTF, some members are lawyers & learned business people. At times I've wondered if those of us in the so-called 'helping professions' (e.g. teachers, health care people) do clash with these professionals. They are educated to debate, negotiate, argue, battle, and indeed often practice these skills daily, in their professional lives. They are self-employed, are the sole 'captains' of their own ships. Perhaps their professional skills, as do our skills, cross over into our personal lives. Yet, I often simply can't fathom such heated debate or discourse ... even now! ... b/c that "little cooperative ICU nurse" creeps back into my persona. As AC says: "Indeed it easier here for me at least, to agree to disagree. Overall, there is less of a "I can't be wrong attitude" here." Yup, I do concur .... yet maybe I should get over it!

I really miss Sidd too btw. I was thinking of him yesterday. I'll fire off a PM later.

:)

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katie
Jun 12 2005, 09:43 AM
They are educated to debate, negotiate, argue, battle, and indeed often practice these skills daily, in their professional lives. They are self-employed, are the sole 'captains' of their own ships. Perhaps their professional skills, as do our skills, cross over into our personal lives.

I fit that description, too, katie. And I've gone from being an online barroom brawler to someone who only rarely pulls out a knife anymore, no matter how much I might disagree with someone. I'll just make a point and move on. If I'm intolerant of anything these days, it's of the waste of time represented by cyclical rehashing of the same old arguments with people (at all points of the political spectrum) who wouldn't even slightly finesse their original viewpoint if their lives depended on it. I've been able to do it to the point now where most people here don't even remember the "old Dwain" & just see me as the harmless little fuzzball that I am today. :D

So put me firmly in the camp with people who respect different opinion & will debate, but who have no problem ulitmately "agreeing to disagree" & walking away.

And for the record, I luv ya, ya little liberal, you! :thumb:
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katie
Jun 12 2005, 09:43 AM
I don't want to throw a wrench into this, yet the thought of who's who 'professionally' has crept into my cranium.... It's b/c in the WTF, some members are lawyers & learned business people.

If it's any consolation Katie, I can't take serious any lawyer who received their pre-law degree majoring in sociology and minor in psychology any more than I can take seriously anyone armed with a stand alone MBA obtained in the last 15 years. In the case of the former, a lawyer ought to have a major/minor of two of the three following social sciences; history, political science or economics. Personally I am biased towards the history/political science combination although I recognize that in the case of a corporate lawyer economics and commerce/accounting are probably of more practical use. As to an MBA- it's a useless piece of paper if the individual does not possess a recognized professional degree such as engineering or law coupled with real life business experience and a naturally occurring business sense. Emphasis on the last two criteria.
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you're a delightful snob Mr. Crude
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AlbertaCrude
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Delightfully mercurial curmugeon perhaps, but never a snob.
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ok curmudgeon :smile:
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katie
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As said by Mr. Lee: I'll just make a point and move on. Trust me sir, this little nurse reads each and every one of these points. I've said it before, as now ... I have a lot of respect for what you say Dwain. :)

As said by Mr. Crude: I can't take serious any lawyer who received their pre-law degree majoring in sociology and minor in psychology any more than I can take seriously anyone armed with a stand alone MBA obtained in the last 15 years. I like the MBA part especially. This comment is repeated over and over again in our social circles. I too read every bit of what you write, and when you so choose to debate, I most enjoy the discourse. :)

Something else occurs to me at present: I happen to be a stay-at-home mommy at present to a child needing a fair bit of support, and an overworked husband. There could also be a parent or 2 here who'd add, "I don't have the time or energy to sweat the small stuff." I was often saying this silently as I read through many of the threads in the OCR. Perhaps some individuals in the WTF simply have more time and energy for debate. They may be at a different stage in their lives so that they can take the time for this type of discourse.

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AlbertaCrude
Jun 12 2005, 09:28 AM
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Jun 12 2005, 09:00 AM
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Jun 12 2005, 08:45 AM
Overall, there is less of a "I can't be wrong attitude" here.

Especially now that 89th key has arrived here :lol2:

I wouldn't laugh too hard- he stands firm on what he believes and he does listen. Moreover he knows how to take a joke even when the kitchen gets hot.

I'll laugh as hard as I want, thank you. You can even laugh back, as hard as you please :thumb: And thank you for your expert analysis of this little joke that I'm sure most people (even 89th himself) understood.

Yep, he knows how to take a joke (whether the kitchen gets hot or not). Some others however... oh boy... :rolleyes2:
You need to loosen up a bit there, mate :)
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I still think we ought to destroy them in a flame war to end all flame wars. Come on people, violence and destruction can be fun. Besides, you should see what they've been saying about us in their PM's....... :devil:
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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AlbertaCrude
Jun 12 2005, 10:46 AM

If it's any consolation Katie,  I can't take serious any lawyer who received their pre-law degree majoring in sociology and minor in psychology any more than I can take seriously anyone armed with a stand alone MBA obtained in the last 15 years. In the case of the former, a lawyer ought to have a major/minor of two of  the three following social sciences; history, political science or economics. Personally I am biased towards the history/political science combination although I recognize that in the case of a corporate lawyer economics and commerce/accounting are probably of more practical use. As to an MBA- it's a useless piece of paper if the individual does not possess a recognized professional degree such as engineering or law coupled with real life business experience and a naturally occurring business sense. Emphasis on the last two criteria.



I'm not sure which lawyer you are referring to, but my undergrad degree in music , no doubt, places me even lower in your insightful ranking. I guess you ought to share your wisdom with law school admissions committees, at least the ones in the US which are apparently horribly misquided in their student selection practices.

This is from Cornell's page on preparing for law school:

A college education should stand on its own merits as preparation for a lifetime of active involvement in a diverse and changing society. Admission committees are usually impressed by applicants who can convincingly demonstrate that they've challenged their thinking and reasoning skills in a diverse course of undergraduate study. While no single curricular path is the ideal preparation for law school, you should choose courses that sharpen analytical reasoning and writing skills. Law schools prefer students who can think, read, and write well, and who have some understanding of what shapes human experience. You can acquire these attributes in any number of college courses, whether in humanities, the social sciences, philosophy, or the natural sciences. It's not so much a matter of what you study as it is a matter of selecting courses that interest you, challenge you, and require you to use researching and writing skills. Because a lawyer's work involves most aspects of our complex society, a broad liberal arts curriculum is the preferred preparation for law school. [emphasis added]

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/pre_law/
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I am very curious about this notion that anyone's POV has been ignored at WTF. I haven't seen it, then I don't get to read all of threads these days, either. Examples?
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Jun 12 2005, 03:42 PM
AlbertaCrude
Jun 12 2005, 09:28 AM
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Jun 12 2005, 09:00 AM
AlbertaCrude
Jun 12 2005, 08:45 AM
Overall, there is less of a "I can't be wrong attitude" here.

Especially now that 89th key has arrived here :lol2:

I wouldn't laugh too hard- he stands firm on what he believes and he does listen. Moreover he knows how to take a joke even when the kitchen gets hot.

I'll laugh as hard as I want, thank you. You can even laugh back, as hard as you please :thumb: And thank you for your expert analysis of this little joke that I'm sure most people (even 89th himself) understood.

Yep, he knows how to take a joke (whether the kitchen gets hot or not). Some others however... oh boy... :rolleyes2:
You need to loosen up a bit there, mate :)

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Jun 12 2005, 03:50 PM
I still think we ought to destroy them in a flame war to end all flame wars. Come on people, violence and destruction can be fun. Besides, you should see what they've been saying about us in their PM's....... :devil:

"If you want peace, prepare for war." :thumb:

I'm down with the "The Great Piano War" idea...and I anticipate a Piano War II. It would be fun! :biggrin:

...now who will be the Jets and who will be the Sharks? :smokin:
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Jun 12 2005, 04:34 PM
Luke's Dad
Jun 12 2005, 03:50 PM
I still think we ought to destroy them in a flame war to end all flame wars. Come on people, violence and destruction can be fun. Besides, you should see what they've been saying about us in their PM's....... :devil:

"If you want peace, prepare for war." :thumb:

I'm down with the "The Great Piano War" idea...and I anticipate a Piano War II. It would be fun! :biggrin:

...now who will be the Jets and who will be the Sharks? :smokin:

Screw the jets and the sharks. Give me a light saber.
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Lightsabers? I'm talking napalm and holy hand grenades! :veryangry:
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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I must say that I have found this entire thread dismaying. "Us" vs. "them" seems to be the underlying theme. How petty some of you sound. This thread has made me especially uncomfortable here in TNCR. I'm seeing the same bickering and backbiting that infested the CR on Piano World.

Have a nice time here, all of you, but you'll have to do it without me. I doubt I shall return. :(
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Matt G.
Jun 12 2005, 05:54 PM
I must say that I have found this entire thread dismaying. "Us" vs. "them" seems to be the underlying theme. How petty some of you sound. This thread has made me especially uncomfortable here in TNCR. I'm seeing the same bickering and backbiting that infested the CR on Piano World.

Have a nice time here, all of you, but you'll have to do it without me. I doubt I shall return. :(

Quick! Stop him before he reports our plans to the infidels! :devil:
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Jun 12 2005, 01:56 PM
Quick! Stop him before he reports our plans to the infidels! :devil:

It's too late! They have already sensed that the dark side is brewing evil plans... :ph43r:
You seem somewhat familiar. Have I threatened you before?
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Jun 12 2005, 05:33 PM
Lightsabers? I'm talking napalm and holy hand grenades! :veryangry:

One...two...five!

Three, sire!!

Three!

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