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Teen Titans #86; August 2010
Topic Started: May 17 2010, 04:15 PM (5,408 Views)
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Aug 28 2010, 03:52 AM
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Aug 27 2010, 05:28 PM
Soooooooooooooo, the Wyld is really Ty Johnson (Cloak)????? :urgh:

JT's gonna have a lot of cleanin up after this ****.

Easy way out: First page of TT #88, Gar wakes up and says "Damn. I just had the weirdest dream..."

It would be a gigantic cop-out, but god dammit I'd take it and I'd like it.

This run has been that bad.
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I hadn't considered the idea that the Wyld could be an alternate universe Gar x Rae kid. But frankly, I doubt that's the way this is going to play out, simply because I don't think Henderson is that creative. Still, I had hoped that Gar would have had a much bigger role in this story than what they've given him. Considering the nature of both the Wyld and Raven's connection, he SHOULD have had a bigger role.

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It would be a gigantic cop-out, but god dammit I'd take it and I'd like it.


Even better would be if the next panel showed Raven next to him, reaching up, pulling him back down, and saying "Go back to sleep. It was just a nightmare."
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And because those ideas are so good niether of them are gonna happen.
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Aug 28 2010, 11:43 AM
I hadn't considered the idea that the Wyld could be an alternate universe Gar x Rae kid. But frankly, I doubt that's the way this is going to play out, simply because I don't think Henderson is that creative. Still, I had hoped that Gar would have had a much bigger role in this story than what they've given him. Considering the nature of both the Wyld and Raven's connection, he SHOULD have had a bigger role.



Even better would be if the next panel showed Raven next to him, reaching up, pulling him back down, and saying "Go back to sleep. It was just a nightmare."

Didn't we already get a small montage sequence showing the Wyld's creation as a result of Raven's teleporting around?

If that were ever to happen, it'd probably be as a retcon later on under a new pen.
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Didn't we already get a small montage sequence showing the Wyld's creation as a result of Raven's teleporting around?

If that were ever to happen, it'd probably be as a retcon later on under a new pen.


My point was that I wouldn't put it past Hendersen to so blatantly ignore what she already told us in lue of the new direction she suddenly thought was better.

Hell, she already did it when her second issue ended with Gar and cassie fighting over leadership and then in her next issue it was never adressed and Cassie was somehow in command with no friction.

Basically I was saying that if the story was changed, it would make no sense, but non-sense seems to be par for the course in Hendersen's book.
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I hope nobody here got their hopes up about Kid Devil coming back to life.

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After explaining that, in the wake of “Blackest Night,” characters who are killed will absolutely remain dead, DiDio referenced making Kid Devil the first martyr of the post-”Blackest Night” DCU. Put simply, he’s dead and not coming back.

“The answers we see all the time from readers: we want to see big changes but we don’t want anything to change with our characters...we always hear ‘I need these stories to matter, that means somethings got to happen -- just don’t change everything’ -- We can’t do that.”


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28067

This "dead is dead" thing will only last a few years, I'd wager, but for now Kid Devil's definitely gone.

Also reference to Dick staying in a Batman cowl for a while, which pisses me off. We'll see how much the fans clamoring for him to stay want it when Morrison's not on the title using Dick. Let's dillute things for a bit by having TWO Batmen.

Groan. Just groan.
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No, but I know of at least one person who had somehow half convinced himself that Terra was going to come back at the end of Brightest Day. @_@ I've been telling him for some time that I thought it was unlikely, but he still keeps in trying to argue that it could yet happen (or worse, that is SHOULD happen).

I think any hope for a Terra resurrection (or Lilith or Kid Devil or Kole or Tempest or whoever) are at least a good five or six years down the road, and more likely longer. And frankly, no one cares about Terra anymore except a few die-hard TTG fans who refuse to let go of something that's been canceled now for five years.
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If Terra was going to be resurrected, it would have happened at the end of Blackest Night. The whole point of the plotline in BN: Titans was to try and put her to bed finally. There's really no point to bringing her back; she was a sociopath. The only one that would have a chance in hell in coming back is Terra II; and even that's a stretch, because people in DC have even admitted her creation was a mistake.

Also, this person clearly missed the point of the resurrected twelve. The reason Terra will not be brought back in Brightest Day is because the resurrected characters from Blackest Night were brought back because they had a part to play in the Brightest Day story. As revealed in Brightest Day itself, of course. Terra has no point; she served her purpose a long time ago.

There's already a new Terra anyways; and she seems somewhat popular.

One could argue that DC couldn't even keep Jericho dead, but then I think that's a lot of the reason they're trying this "dead is dead" thing for now, so as to cut back on the absolutely needless resurrections.
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Aug 28 2010, 05:45 PM
If Terra was going to be resurrected, it would have happened at the end of Blackest Night. The whole point of the plotline in BN: Titans was to try and put her to bed finally. There's really no point to bringing her back; she was a sociopath.

If she continued bein a villain, that'd actually be a pretty good reason to bring her back. I mean, by the time we/they realized she was a sociopath, she killed herself long before anyone could see the potential she could've had as a villain.
Now that JT mentioned new and individual villains for the TT's, Terra would've fit that. Or maybe that it's just I wanna see Gar rip her a new one again. XP
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If Terra was going to be resurrected, it would have happened at the end of Blackest Night. The whole point of the plotline in BN: Titans was to try and put her to bed finally. There's really no point to bringing her back; she was a sociopath.

If she continued bein a villain, that'd actually be a pretty good reason to bring her back. I mean, by the time we/they realized she was a sociopath, she killed herself long before anyone could see the potential she could've had as a villain.
Now that JT mentioned new and individual villains for the TT's, Terra would've fit that. Or maybe that it's just I wanna see Gar rip her a new one again. XP

I don't think most Titans fans would stand for it. See Brad Meltzers attempted retcon. Fans pretty much said "f*** you" to it until it was pretty much tossed away.

Besides which, I think we've exhausted the "Terra comes back as a villain to terrorize" plotline. There's really no point to bringing her back, even as a villain. Without dredging up the past and twisting the knife in Beast Boy, which I think we're all sick of and should pretty much end, she's just another villain with nothing to do, like Jinx.

Better to just let sleeping dogs lie and at least attempt to create new villains; the more you pull the same exact trick with the same character, the less anyone cares.
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Aug 28 2010, 06:11 PM
Besides which, I think we've exhausted the "Terra comes back as a villain to terrorize" plotline. There's really no point to bringing her back, even as a villain. Without dredging up the past and twisting the knife in Beast Boy, which I think we're all sick of and should pretty much end, she's just another villain with nothing to do, like Jinx.

Better to just let sleeping dogs lie and at least attempt to create new villains; the more you pull the same exact trick with the same character, the less anyone cares.

Exhausted it??? There where other times??? Only time I've ever heard/seen it was in Blackest Night.

Meh, perhaps your right, as usual. :meh2: Resurrection works for only so long, but still, I think some of the TT villians like Jinx and/or Terra could've deserved more screen time at their time (more time as a villian in Terra's case) or at least could've given us some more background info on their lifes other then just shown up as a villain with no reason for bein one. Then there's those new BOE members during the OYL gap that could've show us somethin other then a few panels.

And now that I think about, there some "dead" aspects in Gar's past I think would make up some good storylines. One would've been that one witch doctor "whathisname" comin back and bein some kind of evil voodoo villian for Gar, or as the new Houngan (only with actual magic instead of that stupid computerized voodoo doll crap)..............just a thought. Plus, there's still that mystery on what Gar meant on his parents NOT dieing in a boat accident..........or are we ignoring that storyline too???
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Exhausted it??? There where other times??? Only time I've ever heard/seen it was in Blackest Night.

Meh, perhaps your right, as usual. :meh2: Resurrection works for only so long, but still, I think some of the TT villians like Jinx and/or Terra could've deserved more screen time at their time (more time as a villian in Terra's case) or at least could've given us some more background info on their lifes other then just shown up as a villain with no reason for bein one.

I actually meant bringing Terra up in general, but stupidly said something else.

To tell the truth, she's been brought up a lot since Judas Contract to the point where I kind of wish they'd just put a moratorium on mentioning her at all and move on. It reminds me of the use of Jason Todd as a brooding point before he was resurrected. Eventually it's been used so much there's no drama to it anymore.

As for Terra's reason for being a villain, she was a sociopath; she didn't give a s*** about anything and basically didn't care.

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And now that I think about, there some "dead" aspects in Gar's past I think would make up some good storylines. One would've been that one witch doctor "whathisname" comin back and bein some kind of evil voodoo villian for Gar, or as the new Houngan (only with actual magic instead of that stupid computerized voodoo doll crap)..............just a thought. Plus, there's still that mystery on what Gar meant on his parents NOT dieing in a boat accident..........or are we ignoring that storyline too???

Only way I can see most of that happening is if a writer is a big enough fan of Gar in particular that he remembers stuff like that.

As for Gar's parents and the boat; unless it's mentioned again, it's probably best to just ignore it. Judd wasn't around long enough to go anywhere with it. So who knows it's canonocity.
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If Terra was going to be resurrected, it would have happened at the end of Blackest Night. The whole point of the plotline in BN: Titans was to try and put her to bed finally. There's really no point to bringing her back; she was a sociopath.

I think if Gar were a more popular character with a title of his own, we'd probably have had a resurrected Terra by now -- though I think she probably would have come back as a villain. And if Gar ever does get a title where he is a primary focus, I wouldn't put it past DC to do it somewhere along the way. Having Terra around as a recurring villain for Gar would be too tempting an opportunity for anyone at DC to not take advantage of it at some point. But until that happens, I just don't see DC going to the trouble. Really, she's just not that popular.

I think so far as DC is concerned, Terra is more useful to them dead than she is alive. She's the tragic romance in Gar's past, the sister that Brion couldn't save. DC can get more story out of the angst she's caused than by having her actually around and kicking. Therefore, I don't think we have to worry about Tara Markov coming back. I think the current regime at DC has made it abundantly clear that they have every intention of keeping her dirt-nap going for a long time yet to come, and that won't change until Didio, Johns, et al are no longer working there.
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I doubt anyone has to worry about DiDio or Johns going anywhere; DiDio was just promoted and Johns was given the position of Chief Creative Officer.

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I think if Gar were a more popular character with a title of his own, we'd probably have had a resurrected Terra by now -- though I think she probably would have come back as a villain.

I think there really isn't question anymore; if Terra came back, it would definitely be a villain. They already tried the heroic Terra route and, well, we know where that went; absolutely nowhere at all. Besides which, most Titans fans have made it clear how they prefer their Terra, considering the Meltzer retcon was summarily rejected with little exception.

But I honestly don't think Terra will be back. At least, I'd like to think that. But then, they couldn't even keep Jericho dead, so who knows.

Besides, with Terra III around, I double doubt it will happen. Having a heroic and villain version of the same identity hasn't really worked out in the past. I mean, everyone knows ol' rapin' Dr. Light, but who really remembers the female one?

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Really, she's just not that popular.

Any popularity she has seems to be largely towards her being exactly as we saw her; the sociopathic traitor who breaks Gar's heart and tries to kill everyone.
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well it sucks about Eddie coming back. I loved the triangle with him, Meg and Rose...

But it's good that Terra will be left alone (at least for now, no chance she'll be gone forever)

BTW, did anyone check the source recently. On the post they did about JT's first issues with the Titansa they said there would be more revealed in the next week (which is now over)
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