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Justice League: The Rise of Arsenal #2; April 2010
Topic Started: Jan 16 2010, 05:37 PM (931 Views)
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Written by J.T. KRUL, Art by GERALDO BORGES & MARLO ALQUIZA, Cover by GREG HORN

Spinning out of CRY FOR JUSTICE, “The Rise and Fall” continues here as Roy Harper discovers that getting a prosthetic arm doesn’t make him whole again, he’s also forced to deal with Green Arrow’s shocking revelation from JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE RISE AND FALL SPECIAL #1. And sparks fly when Roy’s old flame Cheshire shows up...to kill him!

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Oh, boy, Lian's not gonna like this.

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Spinning out of CRY FOR JUSTICE, “The Rise and Fall” continues here as Roy Harper discovers that getting a prosthetic arm doesn’t make him whole again

Whole or not, that's a pretty badass arm.
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Jan 17 2010, 12:52 PM
Oh, boy, Lian's not gonna like this.


Whole or not, that's a pretty badass arm.

I know, right? :D

Anyways, an issue I'm definitley gonna be lookin' forward to.
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Cybernetic arms almost always up a characters badass factor. I mean, hey, it worked for Bucky. Looks like it will work for Roy too.

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Oh, boy, Lian's not gonna like this.

I hope she's not around to see the fight. Even if it's a small fight. That would definitely hurt the poor kid to see her parents fighting. She's a little young to understand "well, you see, daddy's a hero and mommy's a villain, so daddy has to fight mommy".
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I don't know if that cover looks like a fight tho. Maybe this all boils down to preferences, but claw marks down the back sounds like a good evening to me.

However, that might be even worse for Lian to walk in on
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Jan 18 2010, 07:04 PM
Maybe this all boils down to preferences, but claw marks down the back sounds like a good evening to me.

Right on. But I'm not sure they could fit a twenty two page comic through Roy and Chesire getting it on. I mean, comics are all about action, but this is still DC we're talking about here. :wink:
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Jan 18 2010, 06:46 PM
Right on. But I'm not sure they could fit a twenty two page comic through Roy and Chesire getting it on. I mean, comics are all about action, but this is still DC we're talking about here. :wink:

Oh God, that made me laugh out loud.
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Let's not forget, this is called the "rise" of Arsenal.:wink:

besides, a baby brother or sister might help Lian deal with all the stuff going on in her life.
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This cover makes all to much sense now.

As of Cry for Justice #7, Lian Harper has been killed off; I'll refrain from posting my personal thoughts as they would be nasty and expletive filled.

Looks like Chesire's not going to be taking that well; as if Roy will when he wakes from his coma.
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As of Cry for Justice #7, Lian Harper has been killed off


Wow... that's just.. wow...
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Mar 4 2010, 03:43 AM
Wow... that's just.. wow...

Yeah, seriously. I know it's just a fictional character, but christ. That's really someplace they did not need to go. With luck, we'll get her back in a couple years or something; at the moment though, this leaves me rather annoyed. I was a bit more irritated earlier, but the overblown reaction of the comics internet has disgusted me enough to temper that somewhat.

Green Arrow does put an arrow through Prometheus' head for it though, which explains why he's on the run soon, so it's not like the act went unpunished.
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Why are they resorting to killing off people for the convenience of pushing a story along? And killing of a kid of all people. Who the hell let this slide? I don’t even know Lian, or much about Roy or Cheshire, but still this pisses me off. It’s a cheap shot to get Green Arrow on the run; there could have been different instances that would cause some kind of upheaval or commotion at or near this level. But killing off a child? Granted, I don’t know the circumstance around her death, but something about this just smells plain cheap to me.
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I don't know Dl, they don't usually bring back characters like Lian. she has no powers, she hasn't been involved in much for awhile and she's a pretty low key character overall. You just don't see people like that come back from the dead.

I'm with Lynne on this, it just feels... horrible. It was done to push the story along, and to get a hero to kill someone at that. At the very least if it was Roy that could be seen as a form of revenge.

I can understand the shitstorm a bit. You said it yourself Cry for Justice was a crap story, this is just the cherry on the **** sundae it seems. If they wanted to get Ollie on the run fine, but to kill off a little girl? That's just wrong. Especially one quite a few devoted fans remember rather fondly. I mean, for example, how would you feel if in comic storyline wise someone like Catwoman or Daimien were killed off simply for the purpose of advancing a storyline? Feels like they threw away the character cause they needed a way to advance to plot and they couldn't do it without killing someone.

When I heard the news, I just felt rather disheartened, maybe not super pissed, but I can understand why. People got pissed when Ted Kord died, when Batman died, when Captain America died, when a character people love gets killed it sucks ass. But at least those guys all died being bad ass. Lian gets murdered so Ollie can become a crinimal. It makes her cannonfodder. It just doesn't seem right.

I'm not raging about this though, I don't know Lian as a character well enough to be angry. But I have seen her, being all cute and stuff. Kids getting killed in comics... just doesn't feel right man.

Still I can't help but feel DC fans have the right to be a little angry. Maybe not to the levels you're witnessing, but I can understand why. Its more the likely mostly fanboy fury, and thats never good, but there may be legitimate gripes in there. Its just all the screaming makes it hard to get them heard.
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Mar 4 2010, 09:11 PM
I don't know Dl, they don't usually bring back characters like Lian.

Wally's kids were brought back. Valeria Richards was mystically brought back after Sue had suffered a miscarriage. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

Truth be told, it wouldn't even be that hard to find a way around this. Prometheus is supposed to be the Batman of villains, yeah? Well, who's to say he didn't kidnap Lian and replace her at an earlier date to use her down the line? A plan which, of course, couldn't go through now, so perhaps she then escapes, etc.

There are plenty of ways around it. They don't actually show Lian die. From what I understand, all we see is Green Arrow cradling a body.

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Why are they resorting to killing off people for the convenience of pushing a story along?

Pure desperation, I think. DC's in a pretty hard place with Green Arrow right now; the characters slowly been circling the toilet ever since Judd left and there's only so much you can do with a dude who shoots trick arrows without the whole thing getting really freaking political (Judd fell into this trap too, as run could get kind of preachy at times). With the final issue now on the stands, it looks to me that this was mostly an exercise in trying to get Green Arrow back to his hardcore "Longbow Hunters" days when he was written by Mike Grell as a man willing to kill villains if they crossed a line. One way or another they're trying to do something with the character and they clearly felt that for him to cross that line again some heavy duty **** would have to happen to his family.
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Like enough hadn't happened already with Roy loosing an arm. I just can't see around the fact that it was lazy writting. I mean, if this is the type of stuff they feel they have to resort to in order to get people reading again, then I say let the chracter lay low for a little while instead of **** out storylines out of sick desperation. In the end, I think they'd make more money that way instead of putting stuff out there that no one really wants to read.

Then again, I'm not so deep into the buisness side of comics, so who am I to judge? Still, I would rather wait a while to put out a good product instead of keeping a steady line of crap with the occational gem buried in there that people just aren't going to want to find becasue they'll get **** on their hands in the process.

This goes along the same line as Teen Titans right now. They just need to give it a ****ing rest for a bit.
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