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| Teen Titans #82; April 2010 | |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 03:07 PM Post #46 |
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We're probably thinking of the same people, then. I stopped going to the 'Bloc for the most part myself. Wasn't exactly an atmosphere I cared to be in. Place isn't what it used to be. |
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| DeTroyes | Apr 29 2010, 03:11 PM Post #47 |
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I think all that's left are a couple of occasional trolls on the DCMB. Although it would not surprise me if some of them were showing up on the TitansTower Monitor blog lately. |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 03:17 PM Post #48 |
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It's not even just the trolls. Seems people have a s***ty outlook on comics lately. They're just negative as hell and annoying. It's basically the comic version of fans from other entertainment and I don't go to forums for that either for the same reason. The 'Bloc, scattered folks aside, felt different to some degree but it's felt like it's gotten worse, so I bailed for the most part. |
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| KingoftheBeasts | Apr 29 2010, 10:22 PM Post #49 |
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First off: Boo to Gar wearing boots again. And no arm hair or sideburns... And what ever happened to that paw print he had on the shoulders of his uniform? I liked those... Oh well, non of that is a real big issue. Now to beat a dead horse... I've mentioned before how I don't like Gar turning into non-natural animals and that last scan is a wonderful example of why. By turning into mythical creatures Gar now has access to magically imbued abilities, as in dragon form he is able to breath fire. Does this mean that Phoenix gar can come back too life? Can he now create rain by turning into a quetzacoatl? Or turn people into stone by becoming a gorgon? Or a nemean lion and be impervious to all blades and mortal weapons? It's all become muddied no and there is no clear limit or definition to his powers. And beyond all the extra/magical abilities he may have in his wheel house, now that he has all these myths to turn into, why would he need to turn into his original animal forms? Why turn into a horse when you can run just as fast as a centaur whilst still being able to hold things. Why become a lion when you could have all the strengh as gryphon which also allows flight? Why juggle with the benefits of a brachiosaurus' strength, an Allosaurus' offensive abilities and a pteranadon's ability for flight when you can become come a dragon that exhibits all these attributes? I know in the past there have been a small handful of moments where he became unrealistic creatures, but I had always chalked them up as hiccups in continuity meant to be forgotten. Surely that anthropomorphic goat thing Gar turned into in the first arc of Titans is meant to be taken as cannon, right? But there hasn't been an issues of Hendersen's run where he has stuck to actual animals and I'm worried it will be harder to retcon him back to his original (and far more entertaining in my opinion) powers of being limited to being only real animals. Oh well, this horse is pretty damn dead... |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 10:40 PM Post #50 |
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See, I'm the exact opposite. I'm glad the boots are back. Beast Boy looked so unbelievably ridiculous without them; if I were a villain and I went up against him I'd die of laughter. Not to mention all the glass and jagged rocks he must have had to pick out of his feet on a regular basis.
Personally, I think being able to change into these things makes him a bit more of a badass. There should be some kind of a limit, but I don't think mythological creatures should be off limits. |
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| DeTroyes | Apr 29 2010, 11:06 PM Post #51 |
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New artist. Give it an issue or two, and the paw print will magically appear and his shoes will magically disappear again.
Call it a hunch, but I'm actually thinking these whole "mystical creatures" thing might actually be a sign of a plot point. Lately, Gar has been shown turning into several mystical creatures - a phoenix, a dragon, that Wyld beast. The last time he was seen doing stuff like that was towards the end of New Titans, during the Dark Raven storyline, when he was turning into various demonic creatures. The one thing both sets of stories have in common? The Trigon seed. We know from Titans #4 that the Trigon seed is still in Gar, and has recently been activated. Now he's turning into these mystical creatures. I think there's a connection. |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 11:09 PM Post #52 |
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I hope not; I will be forced to raeg. |
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| KingoftheBeasts | Apr 29 2010, 11:11 PM Post #53 |
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See, I liked it because it fit more with his power theme. I like BB having animal traits and habits even when he's in human form (it shows that he's in touch with his animal side) and shoes are a big no in the animal kingdom. You can stick a sweater on a cat and he may not like it, but he'll be ok. But anything covering his paws will nearly cripple him. Animals rely highly on reflexes and agility. They can feel the movement of other creatures through the floor and the stimulation to the nerve endings on the pads of their feet greatly increase their relfexes and agility (the same applies for humans on a smaller extent) It just made sense that "Beast" Boy wouldn't like shoes as they would make him feel confined and cut off from the full range of his senses
See I think he was more heroic when he had to think about what animal to use and he had to think on the fly about it. He had more strategy then because he had to choose in each situation what was most important at the time: strentgh, speed, durability, agility. He had to be clever to win, not just a awe-inspiring power-house Yes, the dragon and the phoenix both looked really cool, but if he can be them, there isn't much point in choosing between strength or speed or such. One transformation covers it all and it would make the most sense to just use them all the time. And if you ask me "Dragon" Boy would get old fast if that's all he ever did. It's like my problem with Superman. Every battle with him is the same, and he wins in a terribly similar matter each time, and it gets old. Batman on the other hand has to adapt to every battle and somehow come out in the end. I guess my main point is that a Beast Boy limited to real animals makes him more Batman, and that's infinitely more badass than any dragon could hope to be.
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| DeTroyes | Apr 29 2010, 11:13 PM Post #54 |
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See my comment above about the Trigon seed. Perhaps something is influencing Gar? Trying to mess with his powers in some way? EDIT: Maybe Gar is being turned into Raven's guardian? |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 11:23 PM Post #55 |
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All of what you said is true, but Gar is not an animal. When he changes into an animal, the stuff disappears. When he's in human form and doesn't have shoes on, it just looks so out of place. It's a different story with a guy like, say, Beast. He has paws - in his cat mutation, I mean - and is covered with fur. Less clothing suits him better. But with Beast Boy, who - green skin aside - looks relatively normal, it just looks like he didn't bother getting fully dressed before he went out heroeing. Imagine if Batman forgot his boots; Joker wouldn't be the only villain who couldn't stop laughing that night.
The trouble is that no one really writes it like that. It depends on the writer and what they can come up with. If they have few ideas, they don't seem to use him much in fights. I mean, you're writing the book and you don't have a clever use for his powers; who are you going to use, the kid who can fly and shoot heat beams or the guy who turns into a gorilla/bull/elephant? The "only real animals" thing thrives under guys like Johns, yeah, but he's one of the few.
Depends. Lots of Superman stories challenge him emotionally rather than physically. Not every challenge Superman faces is physical, which is how this problem has been switched up.
There may well be. That seems to be a plot point that's been left in the air. Whether it's Felicia that gets to it or not is another matter, though. |
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| KingoftheBeasts | Apr 29 2010, 11:26 PM Post #56 |
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Sorry, I was writing my last one before you posted that last comment. It is a good point, and if it was all planned out then it would be rather clever. However, I don't really think that that much thought has gone into it. Frankly I think it is Hendersen simply feeling that mortal animals aren't very interesting fighting against Alien tech and demi-gods. I just have a feeling that she doesn't like Gar much at all... However, this next arc has the potential to change my opinion on her. It does seem like this arc will have a high focus on Gar, Raven and Meg (who are really, the only characters I care about in this book anymore) So if she treats these three characters the same as she has been, even in a story where they seem to be key characters, then I am ready to ignore her entire run with some self-induced nerd-denial |
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| GhettoMac | Apr 29 2010, 11:31 PM Post #57 |
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Keep in mind, this is a comic universe, where mythology and scifi collide. So basically, the animal kingdom doesn't just allied to the animals we see at the zoo. Meaning, mythical creatures and space/dimensional creatures are just as common as cats and dogs. Personally, I doubt it would make any difference. Even in the form of those said animals, there are forces out there that can easily take 'em out. Hell, Amazonians fight mythical animals on a daily basis. And we just witnessed Gar turn into a phoenix and a dragon, and it didn't do jack. But I understand your appreciation for limitations on heros, it makes the struggle more fun to watch. |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 11:41 PM Post #58 |
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Another thing to note is that no matter what, there are going to be several forms that are impractical when you can have it's benefits from something else. Why be a bull when you could be a rhino, which comes with all the bull goodness plus a hell of a tough hide? Why turn into a horse when you could turn into a cheetah? And so on. So that issue is - and always has been - there. There are still inventive ways to use Gar's powers even if he can turn into mythological creatures. Many of them are more power players than anything, or more useful in offensive situations. If Beast Boy wants to be stealthy, he's probably not going to turn into a dragon. If he wants to use some poison like he did to Gizmo once he's not going to look to be the Jabberwock. Pure speed? A phoenix probably isn't going to cut it. It all comes down to the writer; someone could find plenty of uses in both mythological creatures and real life creatures if they've got the imagination and the drive. |
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| KingoftheBeasts | Apr 29 2010, 11:43 PM Post #59 |
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Not at all. There have been many moments where we learned that in his human form BB has heigthened senses of smell and hearing (by human standards) and though these are stronger with certain animals, it helps him at the beginings of battels and at moments when taken unaware. So then why wouldn't he want to take advantage of his heightened reflexes in his default mode. The shaper his reflexes in human form the faster he can evaluate the situation and morph accordingly. Sure when he going out on the town he might bite the bullet and wear shoes (eventhough he should naturally feel more comfortable without) But when he is in uniform and on patrol he should want to be at peak awareness.
True, these creatures do exist, but my issue is that their origins are magical, not natural. Nature and magic exist on seperate planes in the DCU. Superman is a great example for the seperation of magic and nature, as his powers hold no grounds with magic. If BB turns into a magical creature, then for that moment he is magic and I don't like that. However if this is all connected to the residual demon magic in him, then I will buy it (as long as it gets purged at some point) |
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| dl316bh | Apr 29 2010, 11:50 PM Post #60 |
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That's smells and hearing though. I don't think it works. On top of which, an animals paws and such are tougher than a humans foot. Hence the problem with running around barefoot in most places. It's gotta suck to charge into battle, step on a sharp stone, get distracted and then find yourself shalacked. Not to mention that it can also be a visual problem. I've always found the barefoot look hard to take seriously. I didn't even like it with the Thing at Marvel and that's his classic look. I was happy to see him get pants and boots on whenever he used that look. With Gar, he's always had fashion troubles, but since he lost the shoes it just looks even worse to me than before.
But their origins aren't magical. A dragon is not really born of magic. Nor is a majority of the mythical creatures. They're chiefly fearsome creatures. |
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