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Teen Titans #79; January 2010
Topic Started: Oct 17 2009, 02:44 PM (1,958 Views)
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Jan 28 2010, 12:13 PM
Oh ok, I thought that was actually how you were told it was.

Naw. Comicbloccer Saturn Girl gave a pretty apt synopsis of the scene, so I knew what happened. I was just being a bit sarcastic; partly because I'm sick and tired of Gar playing second fiddle and partly because I hate Cassie.
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Regardless of how Gar took it--which is honestly not too clear, since a narration box or thought bubble might have helped here--it just makes me wonder what the hell the point was for Vic sending Gar over there.

When you go back as far as Vic's character issue, its begun to be touched on there that Vic thinks Gar needs something in his life to prove himself with. That gets reinforced in Gar's own character issue, which also sets him up as getting ready to take charge of the team.

Even in the first issue Felicia wrote, you saw Vic and Kory talking about Gar heading over to the Titans to take charge.

And it just falls apart by the end of that and in this. I mean, what the hell? What's even the damn point?

I guess they wanted Gar and Raven over there, but not leading. So what the hell? They couldn't have handled this better? Have Gar offer to support Cassie, not have him get punted out of leadership after making an ass of himself?

This whole thing annoys me to no end--I DEMAND RETRIBUTION!
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I have a feeling that this isn't the direction They were planning to go, and the powers that be made a decision (either based on fan response or their own whim) to change it. the first two issues don't seem to conect with this one in the sense of drive or direction. I imagine the original intent was to have Gar lead with Raven serving as an advisor and mediator. However, it seems that Dc wanted this to go is a different direction. They probably had the two issue Blackest Night tie-in to give them time to re-write/draw the following issuse.

Gar is easily in his early twenties now. The only justifiable way to have him on this team is if he was going to be the veteran leader. I guess it would be excusable if he filled the role as team counsellor, but the rest of the team doesn't seem to have a high enough opinion of him to go to him for advice. Also it's a bit insulting for Gar to be taking the position which was last filled by an commatose Victor.

Also. Is Raven lol'ing and Jamie liking cheese during the meeting supposed to be funny? Does it have something to do with something that happened earlier or is it just right outta left feild?
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Jan 28 2010, 05:29 PM
I have a feeling that this isn't the direction They were planning to go, and the powers that be made a decision (either based on fan response or their own whim) to change it.  the first two issues don't seem to conect with this one in the sense of drive or direction.  I imagine the original intent was to have Gar lead with Raven serving as an advisor and mediator.  However,  it seems that Dc wanted this to go is a different direction.  They probably had the two issue Blackest Night tie-in to give them time to re-write/draw the following issuse.

Gar is easily in his early twenties now.  The only justifiable way to have him on this team is if he was going to be the veteran leader.  I guess it would be excusable if he filled the role as team counsellor, but the rest of the team doesn't seem to have a high enough opinion of him to go to him for advice.  Also it's a bit insulting for Gar to be taking the position which was last filled by an commatose Victor.

No, I think the opposite happened.

I think they had no general direction in mind per se, they just wanted Gar and Raven back on Teen Titans; I assumed because they didn't think they were Justice League material, but didn't want them in limbo right now. Initially they obviously wanted to set up Gar as the leader, but I think they didn't pressure Felicia on it, so if she made a decision to keep Cassie as leader, they didn't get in the way.

See, I think it was Felicia's decision that Cassie should lead. This feels like abdication of editorial, not interference by editorial. They're being too hands-off with a rookie writer; I can tell given all her other rookie mistakes and the general feel of the issue.

I'm pissed with Titans editorial (NOTE: NOT Dan Didio) lately. I think they're a major part of the problem here. I think that was most evident with Winnick, who they obviously let loose like a wild dog. But I feel the same thing happening here--they have a rookie comic writer on their hands, and yet they seem to be taking a back seat.

They need to get their **** together. They're letting a rookie run free in this, and I think even crazy mentioned being utterly confused by the sequence of time and the transitions; you can tell she comes from television. That's Comics 101.




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Also.  Is Raven lol'ing and Jamie liking cheese during the meeting supposed to be funny?  Does it have something to do with something that happened earlier or is it just right outta left feild?


That's crazy411girl's own little commentary she put in herself. That's not actually part of the panel.
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Judd had Eddie Berganza. I'm convinced that was eighty percent of the problem right there. Most of his best books are the ones with the stricter editors. Berganza also edited Geoff's Teen Titans run - and actually championed Geoff for the role of writer, if I remember right - but what worked for Geoff isn't going to work for everyone.
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Exactly, I mean in all honestly, the vast majority of writers do need mindful editors. There are some who just have that natural talent--like Geoff or Grant. Writers like them have their own internal editor; you can see it in the way they subtly foreshadow coming stories and refer back to past events, they are very mindful of their own continuity, not to mention the nearly 100 years worth of DCU continuity on top of that sometimes.

But that's the problem--they're super stars, exceptions to the rule more than not.

Other writers need their editors to be watching over them, guiding them, instructing them--DAMMIT THIS PISSES ME OFF!

See, okay, I can swallow Winnick, even though its like swallowing a cactus.

Winnick at least has been in the business for a long time. And he can turn out good stuff when he wants to.

But Felicia--she's a newb!

I know she worked in television, but you can see when you're reading her issue that she obviously hasn't fully grasped this medium yet. Its more visual than television, its not auditory, and... actually, I just noticed she doesn't seem to use sound effects often either, just in battle, and not even often there either--

--See this is what I mean, its not fair to Felicia or to us. I don't think they've given her, like, a tutorial or something. They're obviously not going over her work with a fine tooth comb, at the very least. They just let her take a plunge. They're too damn passive, at least that's what it seems like to me.

And I mean, she's new to this medium. I don't know if she reads it or what, but if they just brought her in without a crash course in basic comic elements, that's just wrong.

For her sake, too. She is a professional--she's won awards for her work in television--so I don't doubt her talent or skill, just her ability to immediately grasp all the nuances of an entirely different medium.
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But that's the problem--they're super stars, exceptions to the rule more than not.

Exactly. Writers like Geoff and Grant became stars in comics for a reason, really. They know what they're doing and their craft took them far.

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See this is what I mean, its not fair to Felicia or to us. I don't think they've given her, like, a tutorial or something.

I do my best to be fair to Felicia. I mean, while she has her problems, the Titans have still weathered much, much worse. But like you said, it's also not fair to us. I mean, the Titans aren't something you should expect to just hand to a complete newbie and expect them to know what they're doing. It's not the kind of book you cut your teeth on. Most of the franchises best writers, for instance, have had work prior to comics and had an understanding of the medium (Marv Wolfman, Bob Haney, Geoff Johns).

The last franchise I think you should be giving to a writer to cut his/her teeth is the Titans; it's a franchise that is much celebrated and it's fanbase carries certain expectations of quality. It's a top tier DC book in that respect. Take a look at when a bad writer gets a hold of Batman or the Justice League; the fanbase of that balks loudly.

Which goes back to what you said about not being fair to Ms. Henderson. Her first assignment is a venerable franchise with devoted fans. What kind of pressure is that?
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Yeah, well, I'm wondering if they even told her that much. She might not even realize how big the Titans really are in the world of comic books.

That's how little faith I have that the current editorial is even functioning right. I mean I honestly wonder if Felicia knows what she got herself into...

... I'm also starting to question how DC even views the Titans as a franchise.

I mean, like you said, a top title franchise that you see as a flagship title for your company isn't where you stick a newbie... well, what if they don't see Titans as being that anymore?

I hate to say it, but the way they have treated the series and the characters since after the OYL hasn't exactly shown that DC really is invested in the success or direction of this book anymore.

Maybe that's the problem--its a not a priority book for them anymore.

We love it... they don't. :cry:
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I'd say it's time to send in another letter. But somehow, I get the feelin that we'd just get the same response.

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Dear Mr. *******,

Thanks for sharing your concerns about TEEN TITANS, which I'm passing on to Dan DiDio and the editors.

Sincerely,
Paul Levitz
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cc: Dan DiDio


If they meant what they said by that, we wouldn't have this problem.
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Haha I loled at BB's Mutton Chops and yeap, Raven got he old school look back xD
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