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Teen Titans #79; January 2010
Topic Started: Oct 17 2009, 02:44 PM (1,960 Views)
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Yet the other half of me wants to see what kinda "monster" are inside of Gar's head.


I can appreciate that, but we already got to see that when he was corrupted by trigon. I guess that was enough for me

As for all of M'gann's other powers, I believe it has been explained that they are all result of martian's original power of shapeshiting. Even the "martian vision" I believe was came from J'onn copying Superman heat vision, but don't quote me on this.

So if we open up BB powers much more, any of these abilities could be subject, and I don't like that.

As a side note: Is it just me, or does Centaur Gar look terribly... naked?.. Also it just seems funny that his arms a hairier in his human form than in Centaur form.
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So I hear that in the issue Cassie tells Gar to get in line because she's the leader and he quietly accepts.

I don't give a **** what else happens in the issue because I stopped caring at that point.

F*** you Cassie; I wish Diana had ripped your damn heart out just so I wouldn't ever have to see you stinking up the comics I read again.
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Jan 27 2010, 05:32 PM
So if we open up BB powers much more, any of these abilities could be subject, and I don't like that.

I don't think progression from animal transformations goes to laser vision or wall phasing. If BB's powers are somewhat "evolving", they'd still be more animal related like turning any part of his body into part of a animal's body, or animal fusions.

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As a side note:  Is it just me, or does Centaur Gar look terribly...  naked?.. Also it just seems funny that his arms a hairier in his human form than in Centaur form.


It's not just Centaur Gar, his body was pretty hairless when he was on the treadmill too. I guess it was artist mistake. I'm pretty glad they bought back Gar's five o'clock shadow, that just disappeared as soon as John's run.

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So I hear that in the issue Cassie tells Gar to get in line because she's the leader and he quietly accepts.


*sigh* There goes another one of our dreams down the toilet. Well, here's hopin that at least Felicia will have the decency of bring back BBxRae as a couple. :annoyed:
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Oh, come on! What the hell was the point of putting Gar and Raven back on the team in the first place, then? And doesn't that essentially wipe away a bunch of continuity given what their relationships were? I mean, there WAS a time when Cassie followed Gar and willingly.

And, just great, Gar's leadership ability gets shafted, again, and he's relegated to background--once again, Titans editorial sucks the job up. They've dropped the ball. Again.

I can't put too much blame on the newbie here, because honestly--do we know how much briefing she got on Garfield? I'm thinking they didn't say much about Gar.

This title is a joke. So the rest of the Titans get a promotion, and Gar and I guess by extension Raven--who I thought would be playing second-in-command--just got demoted.




Wait, wasn't Vic's reasons for suggesting Gar head over there to take up the role of leader?

Doesn't that even break from the continuity in the last issue?

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Wait, wasn't Vic's reasons for suggesting Gar head over there to take up the role of leader?

Cassie asked that to Vic, and his only response was "I sent him because the TT are a family. You need each other." That doesn't even answer the damn question.

The only single shred of hope that I'm lookin at is that Conner's arrival changes everything. She did say that one of the reasons she wasn't leddin was because of her mopin over Conner.
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Yeah, well, they may have lost me. They took a veteran and senior member of the team, and after setting him up as a leader, shoved him down to one of the cast--come on. You know what, you want this to be Young Justice 2, then don't stick Gar and Raven there just to get the oldies picking it up. They should have stuck Gar and Raven on the Justice League in that case. Off the stage, but at least it would be a promotion, rather than a demotion.
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I honestly don't know what to think. It's just been one disappointment after another. It's like no one knows how to write the TT anymore, or they just keep sending the crappy writers.

Right now, I'm just hopin that they'll at least bring Gar and Raven back together.
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Right now, I don't care about anything other than the hope that Wonder Girl is a casualty of War of the Supermen; it would be the best thing to happen to the Teen Titans in a long time.

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And, just great, Gar's leadership ability gets shafted, again, and he's relegated to background--once again, Titans editorial sucks the job up.

Let's not just blame editorial for everything; they may green light the crap, but they don't write it. The Titans franchise has had absolute garbage writing for the longest time. The editors may have been able to reign it in, but you can only polish a turd so much.
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What IS this I don't even

If anything, take into consideration the latest solicit. Cassie's still got a stick up her ass even though Conner is back. That might not change anything, unless it makes her want to leave the team for some reason. Who knows. You'd think she'd be happy having Conner back, but apparently not.
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Let's not just blame editorial for everything; they may green light the crap, but they don't write it. The Titans franchise has had absolute garbage writing for the longest time. The editors may have been able to reign it in, but you can only polish a turd so much.


The difference is--this is how many roster shake-ups and new jumping-on points by now? How many times have they had to get their damn act together, tighten down the ship, and get going?

How many times have we seen this concept revamped only to fail--and on top of all that, now we have an entirely new writer, new in every way, new to comics entirely.

Seriously, can we blame Felicia that far? For bad writing, yes, but the writing itself isn't necessarily bad--from what I hear, its not bad writing. Yes, there are some amateur mistakes like the scene shifting, but this is also something the editor should be all over.

Its the events, the characterization that is off--off when compared to the history and continuity of the characters. And that again is something the editors, as a responsibility to a writer with no background in the business, and certainly no seeming knowledge of the franchise--who can you really blame here? If she did her homework, she might have just read what was immediately before she came on. In which case--should be shocked that Gar is a silly jerk or Cassie is a bitch? If that was her base to launch off from, I can't dump it all on her.

We need new editorial staff on Titans. Or sink the title, because maybe it does need that right now, but if editorial can't run a tight ship, get a new freaking captain.
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The difference is--this is how many roster shake-ups and new jumping-on points by now? How many times have they had to get their damn act together, tighten down the ship, and get going?

Under two real writers since Geoff. Sean McKeever and Felicia Henderson. I just read "On the Clock"; I liked McKeever's Marvel work, but he made me despise several characters he worked with (Robin, Wonder Girl) and routinely switched them around. Like Miss Martian; she was in and out throughout his run and it wasn't editorial, as she only appeared there. Now Felicia is blowing it with the characters. Those shakeups were the writers choices.

Like I said, you can only polish a turd so much; unless they get a writer who knows what the **** they're doing, no amount of editing is going to save this book.
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It looks like this will simply boil down to BB and Rae working along side the titans, but not really with them. Like live in advisors when Cassie needs a hand. Kinda like Obi Wan in Empire Strikes Back.

However, if this is the case, audiences will tire of it quickly and with each issue BB and Rae involvement will become less and less until we forget that they are actually around. At which point they will dissapear again.

Really our only hope, that I can see, for the two staying in the foreground is for Cassie to leave entirely. I have high hopes that Conner will help this happen. I want both of them to go off to adventure comics and stay the hell out of this book.

On the bright side, BB and Rae as a couple has not vanished from the characters current state of mind. If writers didn't want the couple to be addressed, then there were several story arcs throught Titans and now Teen Titans where they could have simply just dropped the subject and never spoke of it again.

I mean, when they brought the two over into the new book, they could have ignored their past together and then taken it in whatever direction they wanted and it wouldn't seem off beat. But the fact that in their very first appearance the relationship wasn't just implied but directly addressed (all be it in a way that could still be one-sided) shows that it is something that promises development further on (be it positive or negative)

The only thing that could really hurt the relationship is that unless the two get much focus, then they either won't have time to build to some conclusion or all the briefe time they are shown will be about resolving the relationship (which would really distance them from the core of the book) And if they do become secondary side characters that slowly dissapear, then whatever progress the couple makes will be easier to ignore the next time some writers chooses to revive the characters...

The long and short, ladies and gentelman: Cassie needs to go.
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Jan 28 2010, 05:31 AM
So I hear that in the issue Cassie tells Gar to get in line because she's the leader and he quietly accepts.

I don't give a **** what else happens in the issue because I stopped caring at that point.

F*** you Cassie; I wish Diana had ripped your damn heart out just so I wouldn't ever have to see you stinking up the comics I read again.

Um, actually that's not how it happened at all.

In fact, in the one interaction featured between Gar and Cass, there was absolutely no animosity between the two at all. Cass even having complemented on Gar being a better driver.

Here's how it happened;

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So basically Cassie has resumed leadership and I kinda get a feeling Gar is playing second in command now.

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You know you can tell Felicia still has a lot to learn--anyone else confused over the timing and setting of the preview?


I was too actually, and at first I thought it was just me and that it would get better latter on...it didn't.

This issue was...weird. The pace of events was very confusing. It seemed like a few nights passed in Dakota while the Titans were...practically frozen in time! I mean does it really take 3 or 4 nights to make a quick decission, get changed, have a real quick meeting and get on a plane? Wasn't too keen about the writing either.

So, a basic synopsis;

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EDIT: Stupid spoiler tags...
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Jan 28 2010, 05:46 AM
In fact, in the one interaction featured between Gar and Cass, there was absolutely no animosity between the two at all. Cass even having complemented on Gar being a better driver.

I was being sarcastic about the "get in line".

I still hate Cassie and want her to explode into tiny Wonder Chunks.

We'll have it happen in the next Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe.

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Jan 28 2010, 09:16 PM
I was being sarcastic about the "get in line".

Oh ok, I thought that was actually how you were told it was.
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