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Teen Titans #76; October 2009
Topic Started: Jul 18 2009, 04:38 PM (2,409 Views)
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Written by Felicia D. Henderson; co-feature written by Sean McKeever
Art by Joe Bennett & Jack Jadson; co-feature art by Yildiray Cinar & Júlio Ferreira
Cover by Joe Bennett & Jack Jadson


Guest-starring Beast Boy and Raven! With the Teen Titans unraveling at the seams, two former members must return to Titans Tower to help Wonder Girl right the sinking ship! If only it were that easy...

And in the Ravager second feature, Rose uncovers a horrific black market. And she deals with it the only way she knows how: with blood.

On sale October 28 * 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US

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Could Wonder Girl wear her jeans any lower? Not that I'm complaining, but jeez.
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Jul 18 2009, 04:38 PM
Could Wonder Girl wear her jeans any lower? Not that I'm complaining, but jeez.

This is the comic world, do. The answer to that question is always "yes."
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Apparently Raven has pigmented her skin slightly, at least on her face. Perhaps she's been asked to play the black Sergeant in an upcoming film about Vietnam.

Oh God, Beastboy! He looks like a cross between Wolverine and John Lennon in the early days of the Beatles. And his face, its looks like something someone makes when they're constipated.

Okay, cover aside, I guess two senior Titans coming in to try and fix the team's problems is a good story idea. And I like that Ravager isn't dead... and still solving problems in her pantented violence obssessed way.

Can't win'em all.

As for the jeans, meh, its all the rage with the kids. Wear your jeans really low and trip on your baggy pants. Because that makes you a rebel and cool. (Rasberry)

So, considering its our two favourite heroes doing the fixing upping does this bode well for us? I'd like to say yes but I want to hear your opinions.
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Jul 18 2009, 05:49 PM
This is the comic world, do. The answer to that question is always "yes."

This is true. Look at Aquagirl in the back. She likes to ride 'em low too.

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Apparently Raven has pigmented her skin slightly, at least on her face. Perhaps she's been asked to play the black Sergeant in an upcoming film about Vietnam.

It's supposed to be the shadow from the hood, but yeah. Way too dark. The girl looks like she's been out in the sun too long. It's definitely an issue that is probably partly the fault of both the pencilist and the colorist. It happens though; we've seen coloring mistakes several times in the past.

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Oh God, Beastboy! He looks like a cross between Wolverine and John Lennon in the early days of the Beatles. And his face, its looks like something someone makes when they're constipated.

What I don't get is why some cover artists like to draw him like he's transformed halfway into some kind of were creature. He doesn't have that ability. So why do people keep drawing him like he does?

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So, considering its our two favourite heroes doing the fixing upping does this bode well for us?

I think that's a pretty resounding yes. It kind of portrays the two as a team of sorts by having them both - and them alone - going to help out the Titans teen counterparts.
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I know what they were trying to convey, but yeah, the colorist messed up.

I figure the reasoning is for dramatic effect, its like a snapshot of him changing from one form to the next but he isn't the whole way there yet. Its like the Animorphs covers, where we saw people shifting into animal form in stages but the power of shifting halfway between both states and keeping it there for a period of time was known to all as impossible. Its suppose to just look cool.

Here it fails, I dub this cover appearance WolverLennon. He's the best at what he does, and what he does makes him bigger then Jesus.

"I'm the Walrus bub, Coo Coo Ca-Choo."

So what? They decided "Let's go steady and kick supevillain butt on dates!"

Hmm, this is suddenly reminding me of how Jaime Reyes relationship is with Traci 13.
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Its suppose to just look cool.

Here it fails

It can look cool when the right person does it, but yeah. It completely fails here. Actually, most artists who've tried it on covers haven't been able to pull it off in general.

Doesn't seem to stop them from trying though.

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So what? They decided "Let's go steady and kick supevillain butt on dates!"

Sounds good to me. Hey, it's worked for others. Why not? Always good for comedy.
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Its suppose to just look cool.

Here it fails

It can look cool when the right person does it, but yeah. It completely fails here. Actually, most artists who've tried it on covers haven't been able to pull it off in general.

Doesn't seem to stop them from trying though.

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So what? They decided "Let's go steady and kick supevillain butt on dates!"

Sounds good to me. Hey, it's worked for others. Why not? Always good for comedy.

Case in point, issue #5. Still I wish the artist stuck with the "crew cut" they gave Gar in the beginning.

Honestly, that's how I'd hoped it be. Kinda like a Titans version of the Green Arrow and Black Canary series.

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Could Wonder Girl wear her jeans any lower? Not that I'm complaining, but jeez.


After putting Raven in a short nipped tank top and a thong, nothing surprises me when it comes to heroines and their attires.
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From what DeTroyes has said on RBSU, this issue might actually be leading to more than a guest appearance. He's hearing that Raven may well be moving back to the Teen Titans book and almost as many people say Beast Boy is as well. A jump from Titans to Teen Titans, which might be what Raven's issue is about over in Titans. Tempest will apparently be joining Titans.

If this is the truth, I have a sneaking suspicion things are going to be working towards reuniting the early Johns run team. Most writers lately have a distinct affinity for that era and the group and elements around the DCU seem to be suspiciously aligning for such a thing. Superboy and Kid Flash are back in the land of the living and Tim has a new identity and solo, so it's around time when he could end up returning. The first general arc of Adventure Comics seems to show Conner reconnecting with his old YJ friends as well.

Adding to my thoughts is the fact that said era was really the last time the team was particularly successful. Teen Titans is floundering at the moment and has been for a while. DC doesn't seem to want to give up on it, so it's definitely possible they're looking to reunite the main players of the last truly successful run of the title.

Also, with hearing Tempest might be joining the team, I'm thinking DC might be gearing up to try and make Titans the "Fab Five" title again. Dick isn't going to be Batman forever, for one thing, and aside from Tempest he's the only one missing from that equation. I think there might well be a very decent possibility of this if all this is true.

Keep in mind though that this is all conjecture and speculation. DeTroyes trusts these sources of his (only two of the three say Beast Boy will be rejoining too, but the third is one he doesn't trust as much anyways). I'm still somewhat skeptical.
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First off, it is good to see BB and Raven being put into stories where the others aren't around. However, I don't know if I like the roster change possibilities. I really liked Titans being the recovery of the Wolfram era team. But I admit, it does seem like it could be moving in that direction.

That being said...

I can see grounds for sending Raven back to the Teen Titans, as she is still 16/17 thanks to her rebirth. BB is borderline though as he was 19 in the middle of Geoffs run.

And if Titans is moving toward the Fab Five then I worry about if we'll see Cyborg or Starfire at all. I guess if we're lucky, Cy could get into the JLA and we might see Star show up in the animal man stories, but other than that...

As an aside, I don't think Gar looks that bad in this cover. His fingers look a bit boney, but outside of that I think his face looks pretty good. It's a great ferral snarl.

Also, maybe someone can answer this for me, but have Raven's eyes been retconned into being brown? Because all the most recent covers she appears in seem to have brown eyes.
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Eh, it doesn't make much difference how old Gar is, really. Cyborg and Starfire are certainly not teens anymore, but they were there regularly during Geoff's run. It's pretty moot, I think.

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However, I don't know if I like the roster change possibilities. I really liked Titans being the recovery of the Wolfram era team. But I admit, it does seem like it could be moving in that direction.

I'm not fond of the possible changes either. It does kind of nix half the point of getting the book together. But to be honest, they bit the bullet in putting this book together when they didn't exactly have any real creators they could attach to it. So we got Judd Winick and for the most part, he's bombed.

Changing the lineup to something the new writer likes is one way to help things along, I suppose. Really, Wallace is probably all DC's got to bank all this on. I don't know.

All I know is that if I'm right and Titans will end up a Fab Five plus others type of book, I'd probably lose interest. Cyborg and Starfire, assuming they'd stick around, are only two characters out of an entire team that I'm invested in.

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And if Titans is moving toward the Fab Five then I worry about if we'll see Cyborg or Starfire at all.

If they stick around, I'm sure we will. I don't really see those two leaving. Unless they were going to the Teen Titans book as well, but I don't really see that happening. Starfire didn't do a whole lot before leaving and Cyborg barely did anything significant despite being billed as the leader. I was kind of Beast Boy, Raven and the Young Justice crews show.

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I guess if we're lucky, Cy could get into the JLA and we might see Star show up in the animal man stories, but other than that...

Well, if DC is looking to move Cyborg up, now would be as good a time as any, really. James Robinson is taking over JLA, so a new direction isn't a bad place to shuffle some members in and out. Besides, Batman and Superman are out of the running, somewhat, so there are those spots to fill for the time being.

If Star ends up leaving - and again, this is all just speculation of possibilities - she's got a place to go at least. She's been chillin' with Animal Man and Adam Strange when not with the Titans the past couple of years. Far as I recall those were relatively well received, so I could see DC giving an ongoing with the trio an honest shot if any of this actually pans out and isn't just us blowing smoke.

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Also, maybe someone can answer this for me, but have Raven's eyes been retconned into being brown? Because all the most recent covers she appears in seem to have brown eyes.

I'm guessing artist error. It happens. All too frequently lately, really. Hell, it even happened in Teen Titans Go!; I can't count the times I saw a cover for that series where Ravens hair was miscolored as gray.
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All I know is that if I'm right and Titans will end up a Fab Five plus others type of book, I'd probably lose interest. Cyborg and Starfire, assuming they'd stick around, are only two characters out of an entire team that I'm invested in.


I certainly agree with you there. However I just don't see them sticking around if they make a big effort of moving Gar and Raven off. If they are ok with making the book a Fab Five plus two, I don't think it would make much difference to make it Fab Five pluse four.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to boost Teen Titans lagging sales by bring in BB and Rae permanently. However, I think that would really hurt Titans already weak sales if it lost two of it's (debatably) more interesting characters.

Where ever BB and Rae go is the book I will end up buying.

Also, I would like to point out that we haven't seen Eddie in any of the last five covers, particularly the two after the one with the coffin... Doesn't look good...
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If they are ok with making the book a Fab Five plus two, I don't think it would make much difference to make it Fab Five pluse four.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to boost Teen Titans lagging sales by bring in BB and Rae permanently.

That is exactly why I think the two will end up staying. I've got the sneaking suspicion that if Gar and Rae really do move to Teen Titans permanently, it's to help generate interest in the book again. Star and Cy don't have much reason to go anywhere.

Besides, Devin Greyson's Titans was mainly about the Fab Five, but there were other members. I honestly think that if all this is reality that the two will end up staying. But hey, I am wrong from time to time.

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However, I think that would really hurt Titans already weak sales if it lost two of it's (debatably) more interesting characters.

Maybe, maybe not. The Fab Five does seem to have a good deal of appeal among some Titans fans. Devin's Titans series lasted about sixty issues, if I remember correctly. The interest is there, even if it's not as much as the Wolfman era Titans.

If anything, a Fab Five reunion would probably revitalize sales; Beast Boy and Raven or not.

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Also, I would like to point out that we haven't seen Eddie in any of the last five covers, particularly the two after the one with the coffin... Doesn't look good...

Well, just to point it out, two of the last five covers showed only Wonder Girl and the third was just a coffin. So technically, it's only been two covers without him amongst the team.

That said, yeah; I'm starting to think Eddie's going to be the one to bite it. I'm not worried, however. There's the whole subplot with Neron. Not to mention Blue Devil would probably try to rescue his soul and whatnot. There's plenty to be done yet.

Also, I don't see Kid Eternity either. He's a possibility. The dude's been killed at least once and come back. Hell, his powers in general revolve around being able to come back from the grave. So I'm not a hundred percent convinced it's Eddie just yet.
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You know, the real problem with all this is that ever since the Titans of Tomorrow showed up, this team has been shifting in and out of different roster. The readers don't have time to grow attached to the newer characters or the confidence to grow more attached to the characters they already like

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Also, I don't see Kid Eternity either.


Like him. I didn't think he would work out very well. And aside from his trip to hell with Eddie, he hasn't done anything interesting. And you're probably right, I'm sure he's going to dissapear somehow.

If you think about Geoff's run, almost the entire cast stayed the same up till OYL. Aside from Starfire leaving and Speedy joinging, it was all rather constant. I think that's whats most responsible for it's success. Because of that I even grew somewhat attached to the young justice characters (whom I don't really care for in the least)

They need to pick a roster and stick with it inspite of whatever their initial reception is.
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Here it fails, I dub this cover appearance WolverLennon. He's the best at what he does, and what he does makes him bigger then Jesus.

"I'm the Walrus bub, Coo Coo Ca-Choo."

O.k, first of all, goddamn you for making me laugh so damn hard.

Second of all, as someone who has only in the past read a few of the Titans/TT books before being WTF confused by the massive leaps in plot that seemed to take place between issues. I'm gonna ask about one character that particularly caught my eye.

I think his name was Kid Devil, he was this little red guy with a tail and he nearly got roped into the Doom Patrol if I recall correctly. Anyway, I think it was... (Rose?) some ninja girl or something that was in a scene with him that really struck me as cool, I think she lit a cigarette on him or something. Anyway, Kid Devil struck me as really interesting.

Does he have his own solo or something I could look into? Hopefully he isn't too tied up in the plotty whatty ball that is the DC universe to be unapproachable.
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Kid Devil only shows up in Teen Titans, from "Titans Around the World" onwards.

And the DCU isn't that hard to get into, really. Just some sections of it. Marvel's not much better n that regard.

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You know, the real problem with all this is that ever since the Titans of Tomorrow showed up, this team has been shifting in and out of different roster. The readers don't have time to grow attached to the newer characters or the confidence to grow more attached to the characters they already like.

I agree with this. However, I must state that Geoff's run wasn't perfect. Most of it hinged way too much on the Young Justice crew and the looming Crisis. Sometimes it feels like it was way too much of a glorified buildup to Infinite Crisis.

I really wish he would come back and cut loose on the property. Give it the sort of attention he did to Flash, JSA and Green Lantern. It didn't get that much TLC. The franchise needs it.
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